A guy reads Twilight by Stephenie Meyer (2009-2011)

Reading Breaking Dawn: Chapter 26 (Shiny) and Chapter 27 (Travel Plans)

The song for these chapters is Fabric Of My Life by Zooey Deschanel [suggested by H.L.]

This week is the great and glorious TWICON 2009 in Dallas, Texas! I will be down at the convention all the days and unable to do my regular blogs here, so I decided that in order to keep up, I’d have to read two chapters today! I figured I needed to double up at some point in Breaking Dawn, but wanted to avoid doing this back when it was from Jacob’s point of view, and the post titles might look like:

Reading Breaking Dawn: Chapter 17 (What Do I Look Like? The Wizard Of Oz? You Need A Brain? You Need A Heart? Go Ahead. Take Mine. Take Everything I Have) AND Reading Breaking Dawn: Chapter 14 (You Know Things Are Bad When You Feel Guilty For Being Rude To Vampires)

which I assume might crash my website every time someone tried to load the page.

Charlie Swan seems to be taking the strange news quite well, considering the fact that he was just introduced to his new granddaughter who magically appears to be years older than she should. I wonder if he still thinks this is all some big joke? I suppose if I was Charlie, and I hadn’t seen Jacob transform into a big wolf, I might think that all this was a very elaborate plan to cover up something much bigger and more sinister than simply ‘Bella was sick’ and ‘Renesmee is a strange baby’.

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However, despite Charlie’s good intentions, I think what Renesmee needs least of all right now is another admiring servant. She already has the Cullens and Bella and Jacob and Leah and Seth waiting on her every whim – now she has a grandfather who’s attached and ready to do her bidding. Forget her ability to crush rocks: the fact that she’s not a bratty beast is shocking enough. I was wondering for a while if she would have difficulties since she appeared to be two years old but was only two weeks old, but thankfully since she seems to also be learning at a faster rate, she might actually be able to fit in with their semi-society.

This brings up an interesting question: since Renesmee is a vampire-human child, will she ever be able to associate with humans? I mean, both Bella and Edward were able to go to high school, and to have some sort of a life with others around them. Will Renesmee be forced to live alone with her parents, and not be out with others? I wonder also if since Jacob has imprinted on her, if she actually needs those other people, and won’t feel lonely being cut off from society as long as he is around.

The arm-wrestling match proves in a way just how powerful the new Bella is. She goes from being the weakest of them all, and clumsy, and vastly uncoordinated, to being able to defeat the strongest vampire she has ever known. Seriously, she’s punching rocks and crumbling stones into powder with “the consistency remind[ing her] of hard cheese.” It makes me feel sympathies for the surrounding boulders.

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It’s nice that after all of the pain and the problems that Bella has had to go through for the past couple years, to see her finally getting to have a little bit of happy, family life:

“Happiness was the main component in my life now, the dominant pattern in the tapestry.”

But even as all this happiness seems to be taking over Bella’s life, the entrance of a new vampire puts a great, dark streak across it. When Irina appears, immediately the thoughts of the other vampires return: there are others who will not be so pleased with Renesmee and Jacob, much less Bella. I keep wondering how the Volturi will actually react when they discover this news. Is Renesmee really that much of a threat to them? If the Cullens can stay hidden for so long, I don’t see why they couldn’t hide Renesmee just as easily.

–NOTES–

– Today’s post is shorter than usual because I have to pack and get ready for Twicon! I’ll have more info tomorrow!

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206 Responses

  1. I think it's important that he imprint on Renesme. There's a point in the books when he explains to Bella that imprinting isn't necessarily a romantic thing. It usually ends up that way, but that's not exactly what it is. He says that the wolf who imprints just becomes whatever the other person needs. So, a brother, a friend, and maybe eventually a lover. I like to think of it as true soul mates. I just think the pull that Jacob babbles about through his part of the book is important. I don't think those were just words to describe how he felt. I honestly think that the reason Bella and Jacob had such an attraction to each other in the first place was because of the moment she had that child. It was his fate to be where he was at that moment, so he could see that baby. If I'm not mistaken there's a part during the birth scene, when he talks about Rosalie taking the baby downstairs. He says that the pull just seems to disappear so he leaves the room. So, I interpret the entire relationship between Bella and Jacob to be building up to this point. The point where he meets his true soul mate, and all these feelings for Bella evaporate. It's an abstract concept, but this is a vampire book we're talking about.

  2. “I want to let out a great sigh of ‘FINALLY” when Bella realizes that her relationship with Jacob has changed.”

    I know! I was like, “$#%%^%&$#Q@$!!!! I've been telling you two that for HOW many books?! Thanks for FINALLY listening!”

    Your internal commentary before Bella lunges is pretty much verbatim what I was thinking, only it was like 5 in the morning and I was screaming it out loud due to my slap happiness (much like how I was during Harry Potter last night).

    At first I was kind of ehhhh about the whole situation, but desperately happy he wasn't tormenting Bella to make a choice between him and Edward anymore. After finishing the book and re-reading it a few hundred more times, I have finally come to accept it and I can see exactly how their relationship would play out in my head. Right now, it is completely platonic; he is more like a super close best friend to Renesmee currently. Once Renesmee wants him as something more, his feelings will develop to something more.

    Also, I must say, now that you are winding down Breaking Dawn, I'm excited for you to read The Host, because it is an excellent book. I don't know if you will cover it like you did the Twilight saga, but maybe you could occasionally tweet your thoughts on it =)

  3. Ok here is why I don't like it. The fact that he imprinted on a baby doesn't bother me at all. That was all explained earlier with Quil and Claire, that initially was a little weird, but once it was explained better I was ok with it. It bothers me because the draw that Jacob and Bella had towards each other definately increased as time has passed in the books. Yes you can call it love/infatuation/obsession whatever. But in Breaking Dawn Bella stared needing him around, Jacob couldn't be away no matter how bad he wanted. I just feel like the draw Jacob had towards Bella wasn't for Bella alone, sure he liked her and in a perfect world maybe something would have worked out with them, but this world isn't perfect obviously. His draw towards Bella wasn't just for her, but for the egg that she carried that would one day become Renesmee. Look at how his obsession with her increased dramatically once he became a wereworlf, and then again even more after Bella became pregnant! It's jsut weird and I feel like it wasn't Bella he loved but the egg she carried. Weird, gross, blech!

  4. I wasn't took shocked about Jacob imprinting on Renesmee…was it the fact that one of his best friends, Quil, had done the same exact thing that made the transition so simple?

    I remember cheering as soon as I read that he had imprinted. I literally screamed and my mom shouted, asking me what was wrong with me. At that moment, everything clicked. It explained Bella and Jacob's bond: Jacob loved the part of Bella that had yet to have existed. That little part was coming and Jacob must've felt that and thus he thought he was in love with her.

    I have to say, the imprinting cleared up a lot for me. Loved it so much that it was insane. I remember chanting “YAY JAKE'S HAPPY NOW! HE'S HAPPY NOW!”. So, I find that nearly the rest of the Cullens' story is a breeze as soon as Jacob and Bella solve the mystery to their bond.

    Awesome job, Kaleb. Loved the vampire baby food lol!

  5. I'm sorry, but although I am very VERY pro-Edward, I have to agree with Jacob on this particular argument. I remember when Jacob explained what happened with Quil. It isn't romantic or creepy at all, it's just love, like a brother, or a parent might love, similar in fact to Bella's. I find it annoying when people go off on how creepy it is (It's okay, I don't blame you :). Also, Bella should in no way get so angry at something that was entirely out of Jacob's control. It would be similar to Jacob getting mad at Bella for being a vampire, now that she already is one. I also think that it really was the perfect solution, AND it explains why Jacob and Bella had such a connection, it was because somewhere in Bella all along was Renesmee, Jacob's soul mate. I discovered that I like pre-werewolf Jacob and post-Bella pregnancy Jacob, that's when he and Bella are just friends and there is no pain and confusion :). Idon't think Bella was completely justified in attacking him, but I can see why she did. Although… the Jacob+Renesmee thing might get a little akward when Renesmee IS old enough for romantic stuff…lol
    I apologize for writing so much 🙂

  6. i like that jacob has someone now, even though its bellas baby. hahaha. it will finally let bella and edward be happy and bella wont have to feel guilty that she didnt pick jake.

    i wonder what taylor lautner thought when he read breaking dawn, because his character was fighting for bella, lost her, then is imprinted with her BABY! talk about a roller coaster of a job! 🙂

  7. It's totally okay for Jacob to imprint, because at this stage, it's not a romantic love. Like with Quil and Claire. She is a 2 year old, but he imprinted on her. He related the experience to Jacob like he was her big brother, her protector. The love is very strong, but it's only to be protective and a guardian. A big brother, a father, a best friend. Something more like that. Love changes, because people change. Jacob and Renesmee won't have a romantic bond for a while, which makes sense, because they're both so young, and Renesmee is still a baby who's growing up and doesn't understand yet. It isn't creepy, because there are no wrong feelings here. Imprinting isn't a human thing, therefore it cannot be looked at as we humans would. It something beautiful and timeless, which steps out of the mortal understanding.

  8. I know, I always adored Jacob! He got on my nerves sometimes, but so do all of the characters at some point or other. ^_^ I was always Team Edward in terms of Bella, but Jacob is AWESOME. 😀

  9. ROFL Yeah, you're right! That is a HUGE age difference. And if he looked 107, we'd all be mega grossed out and Stephenie would have sold like, no books. 😀

  10. Why would you want them to be gay?!?!?

    Ugh, that so grosses me out. Yeah, I really wanted Jacob to be a butt-hole faggot! Sheesh! Do you have any idea what you're saying? Guess not!

  11. Nice to know that there are more people like you in the world. You know, the kind of discriminatory bigots who think they know better then everyone else, but really, have you're noses' too high stuck up to actually see what's happening in the world around them.

    Honestly, the LGBT community is just as much a part of our world as you (Sadly) are. You can't change that, so maybe gain just a wee bit of TOLERANCE and you might find out, that your discriminatory views are not right! Life is full of diversity. Why can't Twilight be too?

  12. It's not a romantic love that Jacob has for her, it's more of fulfilling whatever role she needs him in. So he's a big brother, a friend. He loves her, but it's not attraction in a romantic way.

    Um, you're criticizing Jacob and Nessie's age difference when Edward is 90 some years older than Bella? Riiiiight. Good one. Cause 107 vs. 19 isn't crazy when compared to 17 vs. days.

    Besides, people used to marry off their young daughters to men who were 30 years older than them! At least this relationship will develop into love someday, when Renesemee and Jacob are ready.

  13. Dude. I love you just cos you said 'So really she has nobody to blame but the laws of fictional nature.” That is the best line EVER/

  14. I honestly don't understand how people who have read the whole series, and consequently the part about imprinting in Eclipse where it says that IF THE IMPRINTEE IS STILL YOUNG THE BOND IS NOT, NOT, NOT (!!!!) ROMANTIC AT ALL, IT DEVELOPS INTO THAT WHEN THEY'RE OLDER, can be disgusted by this part. Jacob only wants to protect her and be there for her, like a friend. When she gets older, and to Edward's dismay, it will evolve into a romantic relationship, but it's not like that now. It's entirely fine, and it always will be.

    I honestly love how Stephenie did it; how Jake loved Bella–or thought he did–all along because inside her was Renesmee, somewhere. Once Nessie came into being, Bella was a friend, as she should be.

    And to me, this was a situation that I never would have imagined, but was entirely happy with, more so than all my imagined endings to the story. At first, during Jake's bit in the beginning, I was hoping there was some rule that said werewolves couldn't imprint on each other, and that Leah would be with Jake, because at the time that seemed rational; after that was nixed (and truthfully, I didn't mind) I hoped he'd find that girl when he was driving around. However, I'm so glad it was with Nessie. SHE was the missing link, the link that would allow Jake to stay near Bella and Edward yet feel no lingering feelings and be happy with his own someone. Nessie was the one that we needed all along, and she's truly one of my favorite characters.

    What I found funny was that Bella's pregnancy craving wasn't exactly food, it was a person; she needed Jake around because the baby needed him around. It's like how they say, the mom needs chocolate because the baby needs chocolate, in a sense.

  15. No. Ew, ew, ew. That's the right word, Kaleb- icky. At first, it seems really wrong because Jacob not only loved Bella, he kissed her. Ew.

    I got used to it though.

  16. I was conpletely oblivious that Jacob had imprinted on Renesmee when I was reading it. I know, I had a slow moment. I think it's quiet disgusting! I was like WTH?!?!?! ARE YOU FREAKEN' KIDDING ME JACOB?!?! I mean ewww!!! I love Bella's reaction. I was laughing so hard at her. I was hoping she would really hurt Jacob. Another thing is, as you might have seen people mention, Jacob made out with Bells like twice!! I mean come on!! What are you going to say to Renesmee in the future…I've made out with your mother…can you say awkward? I am so glad that Bella finally doesn't have any romantic feelings for Jacob anymore. This book is just too weird. I enjoyed the other 3, but this one.

  17. Wow. Sorry if this has already been said, I didn't read all the comments.

    The whole imprinting on a baby thing does seem a little wierd to me. But I get that it's not creepy. Jacob is Renesmee's best friend, he'll be loyal and take care of her until one day they fall in love. As a parent I would have totally freaked out just like Bella did, but after I calmed down a little I think it would have been okay with me. Isn't that what every parent wants for their child, they find someone truly devoted to them, who will do anything for them?

    Also, I don't think Jacob being with Renesmee is a, if i can't be with bella i'll be with Nessie thing. Jacob thought he was in love with Bella, but he wasn't. More like he was in love with a part of her, and that part became Renesmee.

    So to answer the question, I do think it was alright for Jacob to imprint on Renesmee (not that he had a choice). There are a lot of things that could have happened with the saga, but this is how SM set it up from the begining. This is the perfect ending, how everything is supposed to be. Love it or hate it.

  18. Agreed! I've been reading all these comments about how peple hated that part and I keep asking myself, “why?! don't they see it makes PERFECT sense?!” THAT was the part of Bella that was holding on to Jacob and viceversa… duh!

  19. And another thing, it's similar to Harry Potter 6 in a huge way here. Jake ane Bella are friends, like Ron and Harry. Jake imprints on his best friend's daughter, Harry falls in love with his best friend's sister. Both awkward situations, yet they end up being absolutely perfect. Jenesmee and Ginny/Harry are two of my fave book couples (as well as Ron/Hermione, we all knew that was bound to happen =D)

  20. First of all, I must say that I am Team Edward, but I like Jacob just fine when he's not trying to steal Bella away. Having said that, I like how Jacob imprinted on Renesmee because it keeps Jacob in the story but he's not after Bella. Now they are free to just be best friends again. But, like I said before, I am Team Edward so I feel like I should admit that I started laughing when Bella attacked Jacob at the end of this chapter, because I felt like it was about time that Bella could take on Jacob in a fight. I don't want him to die or anything, I'm not evil, I just think that Bella has a right to be mad and for a newborn vampire that kind of response is totally expected.

  21. I feel as though since Breaking Dawn was really supposed to be second book, Stephanie did a lot of foreshadowing in New moon and Eclipse. I feel like it was the only intentional thing she did in the book. Jacob and Neisse are the same as Clair and I believe its Quil not sure on the wolf part. Bella should of know to some part that, that could of happened I thought I was pretty gross and funny all in one.

  22. Forget whether or not it's okay for Jacob for imprint on a baby–that's hardly the most disturbing thing about this chapter, if you ask me (and for the record, I personally don't find the baby-imprint-thing disturbing at all). What I DO find upsetting is the appallingly anticlimactic way this vein of conflict was resolved. Though everybody appeared to have gotten their way, I found it unsatisfying. Much of what made the Twilight saga great in the first place was Stephenie's delicious angst and dramatic tension; Eclipse was basically nothing BUT dramatic tension and relationships. We've been struggling with the Edward-Bella-Jacob triangle for FOREVER, and it's been agonizingly unsolvable the entire time. I expected somebody to have to suffer big time before everybody could be happy, and instead everything is suddenly rainbows and unicorns as soon as a simple, single fourth element is introduced (Renesmee). That's all it took. After all that hardship, in one paragraph everything is apparently peachy.

    Moreover, this is part of a larger trend within Breaking Dawn–the tendency for things to work out way too easily. If the other books were powered by conflict, BD is powered by easy wins. Beginning with Renee's startlingly genial attitude about Bella's wedding and continuing until this chapter, haven't things been just a little too easy? That's not a good thing–though I can understand a desire for everybody to be mostly happy in the end, the conventions of good writing dictate that people should suffer or sacrifice first to achieve their happiness. That's why we find it satisfying and cathartic when the hero wins. BD lacks this, en masse, and I call that an unconscious cop-out on Stephenie's part. In her eagerness to make her characters (and herself) happy, her writing suffers.

    I hope this comment doesn't come off as too harsh against Stephenie. I appreciate the difficulty of her position when writing a book as highly-anticipated as BD. I'm a fan just like everybody else, but as a true lover of fiction I can't allow travesties like this to remain uncommented on.

  23. Yeah, but if it was up to him, he would pick to be looked at in a romantic way. He can't fall in love with anyone else, she's all he has. Plus, if Nessie tried to date other guys, it would be hard to ignore Jacob, and the pedestal he puts her on.

  24. I understand what you are saying with the easy wins, but I think that this is solving a lot of the problems that formed in the first three books. (Although the Jacob/Renesmee thing does seem a bit forced at first.)

  25. in matter of fact if Renesmee would want to date other people it would be fine in Jacobs opinium because if Renesmee has no romantic feelings towards him, he would be a just a friend to her. That is just what imprinting is to be what ever the imprintee needs. In the end it is Renesmee decision on how their relationship is. So there isn;t anything wrong with it.

  26. Good point! Edward thought it was disturbing when Jacob thought lusty things about Bella – but wait until it's about his own daughter, yikes!! Jacob may not survive long. lol

  27. The only reason Bella and Jacob every had their “connection” all along was because Jacob was destined to imprint on Bella's future daughter. As soon as Bella had Renesme, Jacob and Bella's connection was completely gone. Jacob was never meant to be with Bella.

  28. Yes – Jacob imprinting on Renesmee allows everything to work out. He's no longer in love with Bella and now he has to be civil with vampires living in Forks since Renesmee is half-vampire.

    Edward must have been thinking to himself – “Seriously, Jacob – I wanted you out of my business and then you go and do this!!!” lol

  29. I did not like Jacob imprinting on Nessie. However, I think that Bella was too harsh on Jacob. I understand that she doesn't like what happened, but it's not like Jacob can help it!

  30. preach it, sister

    I think it would've been a fantastic tragic ending if he did imprint BUT she didn't magically stop aging when she reached peak attractive mating age

  31. I think it was perfectly fine for Jacob to imprint. Now, instead of spending eternity pining away for Bella, his unrequited love, he now has Renesmee that he can care for and protect, just as a big brother, until the time comes. (Hint hint.) 😉

  32. Whats so wrong with Jacob imprinting on Nessie? Jacob isnt taking Reneesme away from Bella, its not like he can help it they were meant to be since the beginning of time (thats the way i see it) besides, they wont be like, boyfriend and girlfriend for a while, for now Jacob is like Nessie's big brother. Watching over her and protecting her from danger. I think its beautiful, how one small child can bring two different kinds together.

    But i also wish that Bella had chosen Jacob, because in my opiniion Jacob is a better person than, overprotective, annoying, heartbreaking, edward.

    I mean he left thinking he was protecting her, was he so blind to think that it wouldnt tear her apart? And who was there to keep her together? Thats right JACOB BLACK. And really Bella doesnt really love Edward for edward! if she really loved him, she wouldnt be wasting hour after hour of paragraphs just describing how he looks. It would be about how nice heis, and what they have in common and all the sweet things he's done for her. She barly even really knows Edward. But she knows all the different emotions of jacob and how nice, and funny he is. plus Jacob never keeps things from bella, he believes that she has a right to know everything that might affect her, but edward keeps half of the need to know things from her!

    Ok, Edward Vs. Jacob rant officially over.

    But back to my original point, its not fair to keep Jacob away from Nessie, i mean sometimes i think some of you fans enjoy his eternal pain. Even though he is no longer in love with Bella, im at least happy that Jacob is happy

    thats it for me, until next time

    -BiteMe

  33. I'll keep it really short today… 😀 …. I never had a problem with Jacob imprinting on Renesmee (as I have theorized before) and in all honesty, Stephenie did try to prepare us for it through Quil and Claire.

    The confrontation between Bella and Jacob is one of my favorite moments in that book! When Bella snapped at him I was like “YOU GO GIRL! SHOW HIM WHO'S THE BOSS NOW!!!”

  34. It was absolutley PERFECT for Jacob to imprint on Renesmee! it explained everything that happened and it made it perfect! The only reason Bella and Jacob loved eachother that way was bcos of Renesmee. Bcos Bellas future was intwined with Renesmees Jacob and Bella felt an echo of the imprintinness that wud happen between Jacob and Renesmee. I completely hated Jacob throughout the saga bcos he wanted Bella to choose him over Edward but in BD once u realise why he was so in love with Bella how can u hate him any more? I know i cant.(ok thats not strictly true i do hate Jacob and i still think hes the worst character in the saga) However have u learned nothing from reading Eclipse? Do u remeber Quil and Claire? That explained it and thats why i thought it was completely PERFECT when Jacob imprinted on Nessie bcos i knew it was nothing sick.
    Also i had no idea that Jacob had imprinted on Renesmee until Bella screamed it at him, i thought it was a power she had, like nobody cud help but love her and to protect her sort of thing.

  35. I totaly get what ur saying about the whole happy ending rainbows and unicorns etc but that exactly why i LOVE Twilight i love the fact that even tho there is a lot of conflict and heart break everything turns out right. True love conquers alll! ha thats a lil bit cheesy but still true

  36. I love it just cause you know what Edwards reaction is.

    Snickering in the background, egging Bella on.

    XP

    I dont think its THAT wierd…ok maybe a little, but as long it stays friends till shes like…20, i think we're good. and I dont mean 20 just physically lol.

  37. I don't have any problems with Jacob imprinting on Renesmee. First off, it's really not something he can control. Okay or not, you can't blame him. Secondly, it reduces all of the stress and tension so much. It really does solve all of the problems.

  38. I am a Dad and I read the series so I could determine if it was appropriate for my daughter (BTW…I ended up loving the series and I have read each book 2-3 times + Midnight Sun). Explaining the imprinting thing to my daughter was strange (Quil and Claire made this difficult for me because if I was Claire’s father initially I would have done everything in my power kill Quil). It wasn’t until the scene where Quil and Claire are playing at the beach that I started feeling OK with the concept of an adult (remembering that the werewolves physically mature almost immediately to their adult “state” after they start phasing) imprinting on a child. Quil’s actions and feelings for here are like those I have had for my daughter when she was the same age (and still do). My recollection of imprinting is that things will turn romantic once her feelings move into that direction (so when she is ready for that level of commitment so will be her wolf-mate…but again as a Dad my blood boils thinking of anyone thinking of my daughter this way; however it is going to happen one day whether I like it or not). Imprinting was also explained as a way to ensure that the tribe’s unique bloodline be preserved because of the threat posed by the “cold ones”. I should state at this time that I was never a Team Jacob person. Personally I thought the way he manipulated Bella in Eclipse was beyond disgusting. Forcing himself on her when she was most vulnerable (plus knowing she could not physically escape his grasp)was assault (regardless of what her feeling may have been) and in many ways much more disgusting to me than him imprinting on Nessie (which was involuntary – more on that in a minute). Plus as a guy, I could not understand in New Moon and Eclipse why he kept opening himself up for more pain by pursuing Bella even after it was very clear Edward was her first choice. Sure Bella had feelings for Jacob but any right minded guy would not put the women he loves through what he did. Which brings me (in a long winding way – I needed to state my biases first) to my point on this.

    Imprinting appears to be the one involuntary, inescapable side effects of the shape shifting (again it was described as a way to secure the blood line – since the author did not provide any further reasoning we can assume that this simple fact drives the imprinting process). Given this… why does Jacob imprint on Nessie? To what purpose does this help strengthen the bloodline? Starting in New Moon and continuing through Eclipse and Breaking Dawn, the dynamic between the Cullen’s and tribe changes from mortal enemies to reluctant allies. Looking at the endgame, Jacob imprinting on Nessie ensures the “peace” between the tribe and the Cullen’s and allows both parties to unite against their common foe (e.g. most non-“vegetarian” vampires). The safety of the tribe is strengthened by Jacob and Nessie’s bond…which is why I believe it happened. I also believe that Ms. Meyer starting setting this up in New Moon. Once Jacob starting phasing (which really started the night at the movies with Bella and Mike) he seemed to really become more aware to his attachment to Bella (it was almost like his previous burgeoning romantic feelings started to grow as fast and as unruly as he was physically maturing). However as I stated above, his actions towards Bella didn’t always speak of affection, admiration, and love. Once her feelings were known and demonstrated many times(going to Italy, facing down the Volturi, forgiving Edward, agreeing to marry Edward, and wanting to be changed into a Vampire are fairly obvious signs that Bella is picking Edward) Jacob still felt compelled to stay in Bella’s life. I believe the imprinting process for Jacob started the night of the “movie date” (which is when he first started to phase) and steadily manifested itself with his unwillingness to accept Bella’s choice in suitor and his unnatural attachment to being close to pregnant Bella (and all of the tribe drama it caused). Once Jacob started shape shifting Bella was never his future soul mate (maybe before he changed she could have bee, but not afterwards). Nessie was always Jacob’s future once he became a shape shifter. I do believe he loved Bella before he became a shape shifter but after he changed he could not permanently walk away from Bella (which he finally did after Nessie was born) until his “destiny” (I hate the use of that word but it fits) was served.

    BTW…I am sorry for the long post but my daughter and I have been discussing this for a while now.

  39. I completely disagree.
    I think their connection was genuine friendship, compatibility and attraction (on Jacob's side). While I agree that Jacob was not meant to be with Bella as a couple on the long run I do NOT think his connection with her was based on his “destiny” of ending up settling for the next-best-thing to Bella, Renesme.
    That's just the way I see it,who knows?

  40. I agree they were genuinely friends. But there was a bigger force keep them in each other's lives. Bella always had this “need” to make sure Jacob was okay and she was always drawn to go visit him in La Push. Even when she was so deeply in love with Edward. After Bella has the baby, Jacob admits he doesn't have the same attraction to her. Which to me, meant that “connection” keeping them together was gone. Once Renesmee was born, all of his love went rightfully to her. It was always meant to be that way. Just some thoughts – not saying this is the “word of God” or anything 🙂

  41. THANK YOU! that is exactly how I feel.
    I dont know why people keep saying that it was meant to be bla bla bla…..
    Jacob SETTLED for Renesme because he knew he would never have Bella. And yeah the idea of imprinting on a baby??mmmhh icky to say the least. No choice on the baby's side on who she would wanna be with?? what if when she grows up she falls for someone else, what happens then? does she feel guilty or like she owes something to the guy that imprinted on her?

    And yeah how can you be with a guy who was crazy about your mother for all those years and for whom your mother also kinda-sort of had a thing for at some point in the past?!?! talk about awkwardness.

  42. if he settles for Renesmee because he can;t have Bella he wouldn;t have imprinted on Renesmee, but he would have imprinted on Bella. So your theory is not correct.

  43. I agree on all the stuff about imprinting; it's just so weird. Because they say 'I'll be for her what she needs me to be', but never once is it doubted that in the end, what his imprintee needs from him is his love as a lover. 'It is hard to resist that kind of adoration'. Yeah, but what would happen if one would? What would happen if, say, Renesmee tells Jacob: 'sorry boy, you're nice and all, but that boy over there is wáy more my taste.' Do you honestly believe that Jacob would than stop loving her as a lover (obviously I'm talking about an older Renesmee here) and start the brother-act again? I doubt it. And thát's the disturbing part. They act like the imprintee has a choice but she doesn't. Especially if she's a Quilotee; what do you think the tribe would do to here if she turned her imperter down? Yeah, that's what I thought.

    I don't know if Jacob as much as settled for Renesmee, though – but I do think it's cheap that he fell for her. And I think it's disturbing. He may not have any choice, but still, it's just plain weird.

  44. Not the imprinting on the baby-thing bothers me. Really, that's not it.
    'When she gets older, and to Edward's dismay, it will evolve into a romantic relationship, but it's not like that now.' Thát bothers me. For two reasons. 1) there is an 'it will' in that sentence, in stead of an 'it may'. Meaning it is already clear that Renesmee and Jacob will fall in love. I háte that, because there is no change & no choice on both sides. Jacob can't choose, Renesmee can't choose because she's so attached to Jacob by that point, there is no way she's turning him down. I hate the 'when' instead of the 'if', if you know what I mean.
    2) Jacob and Bella have had a very complicated relationship troughout the books, but it's pretty clear that they love/have loved eachother. And now Jacob imprints (and in the end will fall in love with) Bella's kid. THINK about that. Because seriously, how would you react if you would find out you're boyfriend had loved & kissed your mother – and had tried to make your mother break up with your dad on multiple accounts? Yeah. I wouldn't be to happy, to be honest. Even if it would all be supernatural. I would be freaked out, grossed out and pretty pissed of as well.

  45. Well, I'm the first one, but I completely agree with you . Breaking Dawn is full of easy wins – the reason why I like this book the least of the saga. It's just so… 'O, here is all the stuff that has happend in the last 3 books. Here are all the problems – solve them'. And without there being ANY struggle troughout BD, it just all gets solved in some magical way and everybody is happy!
    No. It does not work like that! So, yeah, I agree with you – in her strife to make everybody happy, SM made me very unhappy, because it is so obvious that some things are just there for the eternal happy ending that should have been fought for, in stead of just handed over.

  46. I love your post – that one first. It's a very good theory – and in the following part of my post I'm just going to go ahead and presume you are right.
    Second, I have a question. Do you agree with me that it feels kind of wrong that Jacob is forced to be around Bella, causing all the heartbreak, because of a baby who is unborn at that very moment? I don't really know who to blaim – I suppose the imprinting-thing in general, which I'm not fond of.

    Now I have something about your theory. If Jacob stayed around Bella, because the imprintingprocess had already happend, than why don't all werewolfs imprint? This may sound like a weird question, let me explain.
    It is said, first, that imprinting is quite rare. Later on, though, it is made pretty obvious that imprinting is not all that rare. However, everybody imprints on someone who is kind of in the neighboorhood. The exception is Sam, but he first had a relationship with Leah, which you could explain with the same theory as Jacob-Bella-Renesmee; he fell for her so he would get to meet Emily.
    However, if so many werewolfes imprint, I think it is something natural. Something all werewolfes are supposed to do – because let's face it, they're all doing it, one by one. But than why are there so many in the past who have NOT imprinted? After all, there is a reason imprinting is thought of as rare – it must have been rare once. If imprinting is natural, every werewolf should be doing it. But not everybody does it. This leeds to believe that they never met the person they should have imprinted on – so she/he was not really close. But if this gap was filled in the case of Sam/Emily and Jacob/Renesmee, than why not with all the other werewolfes, who did not imprint?

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