The song for this chapter is All I Need by Within Temptation
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When a chapter in the Twilight Saga explicitly warns me ahead of time with the title “Too-Much-Information Alert” I can’t help but shudder. After all, if all the other Too-Much-Information scenes I have endured (namely: almost every scene on Isle Esme) were so light in comparison to one that actually needs a warning, what horrible, embarrassing thing lies ahead of me in the sixteenth chapter of Breaking Dawn?
It is nice to see that Leah is beginning to accept Jacob as the Alpha, because at first she appeared greatly against the idea and a bit forced into the new pack. But I have a feeling that all along, she was just doing it for a show of her own independence rather than really wanting to leave Jacob for someone else. It is one of those things about Jacob that I’ve come to realize — that you can’t really understand him on the surface, until you get to know him. I never understood him in the slightest until I got into his head. Similarly, Leah didn’t see him as a good leader until she was in his pack (and, quite literally, reading his thoughts just like us).
I’m also beginning to wonder if there are any romantic feelings from Leah for Jacob? I know she is still bitter about Sam imprinting on Emily. I get a feeling that she might be desperately searching for someone to fill the void that Sam left — even if not so much in a romantic way with Jacob, but just for someone to love her. It also seems that both she and Jacob are very much in the same position: both of them love someone who can never be theirs, who were never meant to be theirs, and are trying to fight against their feelings for what they know is best. If this was any normal romance novel, and Jacob wasn’t so sore over Bella, I would suspect something blossoming between these two, even if no more than a great friendship and understanding.
Still, it is truly hard to feel the pain that Leah is going through: feeling as if she is just a freak amongst her own people. It is like someone who is suddenly incapable of being loved — a werewolf who thinks that no one will ever imprint on her just because she isn’t like the other women. But like Jacob says, waiting for this sudden and unexpected ‘imprinting’ thing to happen isn’t her only hope of being loved. She could always simply turn back into a human, get a job, meet people, and have a relationship like every other normal person.
And finally, I get to the part where the name Renesmee is created. I remember when Breaking Dawn first came out, and I was immediately spoilered, within an hour of the release, by this name (Renesmee is pretty much one of the only things I was spoilered on in BD, fortunately). I remember it specifically because of all the forum posts and emails about being confused as to where it came from, and why Bella was so selfish as to not include all of her family member’s names at once, an example being Renesmettallie Carjalicphil:
Twicurls aside, I see this as a beautiful moment between Bella and Edward: perhaps one of the most beautiful since they first met in Twilight. Up until now, the child growing inside of Bella was seen as this monster — even Edward agreed with Jacob on this. But suddenly, with just that tiny spark of communication and recognition between the two parents and what is growing inside Bella, it is no longer a ‘thing’ but their child.
Someone told me in the comments, back when Edward was desperate to have Carlisle kill it, that a father does not bond with a baby until after he or she is born (I don’t know how true this is– I haven’t researched it any further that what I was told). Could this be advanced before the child is born, since Edward has made a connection with the baby in his mental, mind-reading way? Because it is almost as if he can really speak to his child suddenly, as if the baby has already been born. Because of the connection between Bella and Edward, and their unborn child, it is almost as if in one startling moment they have gone from a couple, into a family.
But now, I can’t even imagine the pain that Jacob is in. Again, can anyone even think of how hurtful and heartbreaking it would be to love someone so much, and then to have to watch her and her new husband and their child, happier than they have ever been? Wouldn’t you wish that at least she would feel some remorse for not being with you, for choosing someone else — that maybe she would give you the tiniest bit of consolation? But no — she happy, and content, without him. In any normal relationship, Jacob would be far away, and not have to suffer watching how happy the girl he loves is with someone else. He is literally tearing himself apart by staying there, and I don’t think any of us would hold it against him if he left and didn’t come back.
As for Jacob Black, this line in the beginning practically horrified me:
“I was only about a mile from where I’d left my clothes, so I phased back to human and walked.”
Whilst visiting Forks, I will remember not to venture into the places where Jacob is known to run completely naked for miles. Especially knowing those super-devoted fans who might try to recreate this scene.
QUESTION FOR THE COMMENTS: Would you rather Bella had a son and named him EJ, or a daughter and named her Renesmee?
——NOTES——
– Peter Facinelli has a huge bet going on with his friend — if he gets 500,000 Twitter followers by this Friday, he gets to keep his chair from TWILIGHT! Along those same lines, if I get 500,000 Twitter followers by this Friday, I will give Peter Facinelli MY chair (har har har).
– During that huge Facebook username craze last week, I managed to snag Facebook.com/KalebNation for my new Facebook page! If you haven’t added me, now you can do it with STYLE and PIZZAZZ!
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I'm really confused. You knew about Renesmee, or you just knew about the name? I asked you in your last blog tv and you said you didn't *don't* know the end of the series.
Who was that random girl at the end of the Twicurls video?
Btw Nice post Kaleb! One of my favorites.
I really hated the name Renesmee at first. It felt so stunted and forced that I mentally tripped over it every time I read it on the page. At that point I really wished Bella had named her Carlie instead of Renesmee because it was just so much easier to say. But eventually it grew on me. Especially when everyone started calling her Nessie. Plus it is toally worth it just for “You named my daughter after the loch ness monster” – launch. That cracked me up for like 10 mins!
And I prefer Renesmee to Edward Junior. I just can't stand it when parents name their kids after themselves. Its just wrong!
Jacob's pain isn't only in that Bella is married and having a baby with Edward, it's the fact that she's literally dieing for it. Jacob sees the obvious danger that Bella is completely oblivious to and it hurts him that she refuses to accept the dire consequences of her actions. He isn't as optomistic as she is. He can't see it all working out in any way other thean Bella dieing.
ha ha I thought that Leah and Jacob were going to become a couple the first time I read BD too.
I think Bella said that EJ stood for Edward-Jacob, not Edward Junior.
i think that renesmee is better than ej because renesmee is unique and anyone could be named edward jacob. although i think it is cute too. so did you get the last paragraph of the chapter yet kaleb? if not go read it again. you'll scream and write another post cause i did.
I'm glad she didn't have a boy only because I think naming your son after another man is really disrespectful of the husband that you love. This is one thing that really bothered me. I was luckily spoiler free from all the books, so I sat in anger reading that she wanted to name her son Edward Jacob. I would never in a million years name my son after a man I had once loved. Awful. So hurtful to Edward.
i definetly prefer Renesmee to EJ, i'm not big on intials as names but thats just me.
i couldn't agree with rachel more though!
i wouldmuch rather carlie to renesmee. it's easier to say and not so….weird!
while reading breaking dawn there was a great deal of texting and emailing going on with my friends and renesmee is a pain to type! but i like the nick name!!!! i don't know if you know it or not so i won't say it!
AHHHHH!!!!
Number 1 – That's my little black lap-top in that picture exactly!!!
Number 2 – Renesmee. Undoubtedly. When I read this chapter the first time, that was my opinion. GRRRRR!!!!! There are so many things I want to say and can't!
For some reason, I totally missed the part about the J in EJ standing for Jacob.
That would be totally unacceptable and very disrespectful of Edward if she had.
–Kaleb
Yes, Reneesme is a strange name, but it fits. There will be no one in the world like this child. Half human and half vampire and both parents able to be in the child's life.
I think it was sweet of Bella to name her after both of their moms and both of their dads, even though it does sound kind've forced. Luckily, she will have a cute nickname that she will be called more than Reneesme, even though Bella is NOT thrilled with it.
Yes, it is very touching when Edward finally is able to communicate with the baby, and realizes that this is HIS baby with Bella, and NOT a monster.
It is also extremely sad for Jacob to have to watch it. It was very compassionate of Edward to give Jake the opportunity to get out of there for awhile. I really love how both Edward and Jacob are now feeling compassion for the each other. Lucky Bella to have two such wonderful guys in her life. You just have to know, at this point, that her luck is not going to run out on her, Thank God.
Kaleb, we are definitely on the same page with Jacob. It's really hard to think about what he's going through at this point because I think this is actually the point where he finally loses hope of ever having Bella. Once he sees that Edward loves Renesmee, it's over. On the Leah issue, I always wished that stephenie wouldve told us the end of her story. :C And I really think that if Bella had a son and named him EJ Edward would cringe everytime he heard his sons full name. (Edward Jacob?) yeah, & I just about rolled off my chair reading about the fans that are reanacting Jacob running around naked! 😀
Grow up
it becomes evident later that it was necessary for bella to have a girl however, i wished she had used renesmee's middle name as her first name (you'll find out what it is later in the book)
i too really enjoyed this post, definitely one of the best since i've been following
I can't help but be relieved that she had a girl – I CANNOT imagine what Bella was thinking when she decided to even partially name Edward's son after Jacob. I think that was the moment when I started to suspect that she had completely lost her mind…
But why was she happy to name a daughter after the grandparents and yet insistent on naming a son after her two love interests? Why not Edwina Jacqueline? (Yes, I know that's horrible.)
I don't think Stephenie Meyer says that it stands for Jacob in this chapter, she eludes to it. I completely missed it as well when I first read it, but Bella says EJ's full name in another chapter. Thanks for the response Kaleb!! Totally made my day!!!
I would have prefered EJ.
Her little 'Edward Jacob' 🙂 Mostly because I hate what happens with Jake and Renesmee. I don't think it's disrespectful, though, to name your child partially after someone you care about deeply. Bella's feelings for Jacob are confused and she doesn't know why yet, but Jacob is family, he's like a brother, her best friend. Nothing wrong with that.
Chapter 19, Burning – Page 371:
'Black spots covered the light in the room as a cold point of new pain stabbed icily into my stomach. It felt wrong-I struggled automatically to protect my womb, my baby, my little Edward Jacob, but I was weak. My lungs ached, oxygen burned away.'
As I said earlier, without trying to spoil, there is a reason for all of this, and why she feels the way she does about Jacob. I can't really explain fully without spoiling for Kaleb, but it's not disrespectful, and it would never happen anyway because it's not what's meant to be. If EJ actually existed, then yes it would have been, but her feelings for Jacob.. nevermind. -.-'
(So hard to explain this point without saying certain things lol)
Haha, the road at the top of the map is called Robin Hood Loop.
I was lmao at the twicurls BlogTv. So hilarious when you left when Keira was like “I want to lick him!”
*gasp* Stupid people spoiling stuff for you! Sorry, but I gotta ask… do you know ANYTHING else about the baby besides the name? I really hope you don't! I really like the name Renesmee for a girl. Probably not EJ so much for a boy. Perhaps she could just name a boy Edward, jr? I dunno. But I'm gonna shut up before I say anything you possibly don't know about the baby. Update soon! =)
I get what you are saying xtonks, without you actually saying it. And yes, you are right. But that is how I felt while I was reading it for the first time. It is a different though than naming your child after a brother or friend, because you are never in love with a brother or friend. Bella has said how she is in love with Jacob. My comments are all from the point of view of not know what was to come since Kaleb doesn't know what is to come. My feelings on the name Edward Jacob do not change though, even by the end of the book.
I do love your name though.
I would have preferred EJ
I prefer Renesmee, just because it's a little prettier than Carlie, and plus, Edward Jacob, it just doesn't have that flowing rhythm that Renesmee has.
I love the Forks map with the 'Naked People' warning. You crack me up, and that's why I love these posts! 🙂
Renesmee is a wierd name; but I remember being VERY thankful when we discovered it was a girl and we wouldn't have another character named Edward. I think I was partially thankful because I knew that Bella's evil baby nightmares weren't going to come true, entirely, at least. That was a breath of relief.
Hm… Renesmee Carlie versus Edward Jacob. I'm split divided here. See, Renesmee is atrocious (although I'll admit to liking the nickname Nessie, although my first though upon seeing the name was “At least they can call her Renny, which I also like)). Edward is lovely, but I'm really not a fan of using a parent's name (although he would be Edward III). Carlie is kind of a guilty pleasure as I was nearly named Carly. Jacob is utter failcakes.
Why don't we get something everyone can enjoy? Just call her Rakey.
renesmee definetely . . even though i think it is kinda cute she would put edward and jacobs names together she loves edward and cares for jacob. . . but i totally felt for jacob in that moment having to see bella and now edward swoon over their baby , i mean that must have felt like a dagger to the heart. . i also thought leah and jacob would be together it seemed more logical to me but it didnt happen.
I like the fact that it is Renesmee. Even if it is a little strange at first, I think it is a pretty and unique name. Edward-Jacob is just… Bella doesn't need two Edwards in her life. And beyond that, EJ is kind of an annoying name in my opinion.
Granted, I know what happens, but even at this point, I was kind of happy about Bella having a daughter. I agree with your asessment, this scene was one of the most loving in that both Edward and Bella matured a great deal once Edward heard Renesmee's mind. Even 108 year old Edward matured.
Bella kept dreaming of a little boy, so it was a nice twist when she had a girl instead. I understand Jacob feeling a little betrayed when Edward changed his mind about the baby, but what did he expect? If he were in Edward's place, his feelings would've changed instantly once he heard the baby's thoughts. I get Jacob hanging around because Bella's dying, but I felt like it was ridiculous at that point for him to be feeling jealous. Bella was a married, pregnant woman. He needed to get over her.
Oh, and Edward Jacob would've been inappropriate, since Jacob wanted nothing more than to take Bella away from Edward.
Renesmee. Different, but as already mentioned, it is for a different kind of being. Most of the time, I have felt that Jacob was really overstepping where he should be, and that Bella was nuts for wanting him – but it is easier to understand later in the book. Edward must have the patience of Job through most of this. All in all this is my favorite book. How could they not love the baby when she said she loved them? (through Edward's abilities) Still scary not knowing if Bella could survive the birth. No EJ – thank goodness!
I loved that their child was a girl, but I think it would have been better if her name was Elizabeth, like Edward´s mother, it kind of makes sense. She wanted to name (if he was a boy) Edward, the reason she gave was because Edward´s father´s name was Edward…so…what about Edward´s real mom? Can't she have some kind of honor, too? She was the one who told Carlisle to turn Edward into a vampire. If she hadn't said anything Edward would have died…she deserves something to be remembered. That's my opinion, lol.
I still like the name Renesmee….could have been better, but you kind of get used to it after a while XD
Oh I am glad for your map as I hope to go out there (from Florida) the end of July and I really do not want to run into any naked people thinking they are Jacob!!
ok…. for everyone who is commenting: don't spoil it for kaleb, nobody likes spoilers… and to kaleb: boy, will you be surprised
i agree, having jacob part in your son's name is unfair for edward! i dont get why bella keeps trying to pull jake back in when hes trying to push himself out!! shes would have just hurt him more if she did that!
I actually love the name Renesmee! For the obvious reasons that it's unique and a really pretty name but also that along with Carlie, it's a reminder of Charlie and Renee. Charlie and Renee are eventually going to die, Bella and Edward aren't, so whenever they think of her name, they can also think of them.
You think it would be disrespectful? How many things has Jacob done for Bella? And not only for Bella, he's done things for Edward too. Do you really think Edward would object to his kid having Jacob as the second name after everything Jacob has given to them? Goodness, you guys always take Edward into account, but you can't seem to see more than him.
Gosh…
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Jacob gave Bella up at the end of Eclipse. He lost hope of ever having Bella then. He doesn't feel like he does here because he suddenly understands he's never going to have her. He already knows that. He feels like that because he thinks that the baby is bad and wrong, and Edward agreed with him until now. Now Edward loves the baby too, and Jacob finds himself alone thinking the baby is a bad thing that will kill Bella.
I wonder if Jacob will ever be understood…
Forget EJ or Renesmee, Renesmettallie Carjalicphil all the way!
It would be very disrespectful. Jacob is one of Bella's guy friends, and should ONLY be that. Not only was he her former boyfriend, but he tried many times to steal her from Edward, and they obviously still have deep feelings for each other, even after Bella has become a married woman.
I know, as a guy, if my future wife wanted to name one of our kids after one of her old boyfriends, I would be very hurt, and begin to wonder if she regrets marrying me because she still has feelings for him. Especially after being hurt that she wants her old boyfriend to stick around and still be a part of our relationship. It just doesn't work well that way.
Oh my God… Jacob wanted nothing more than to take Bella away from Edward???
Read the books again, 'cause you know nothing about Jacob.
Jealous??? Jealous????? You think he was JEALOUS???? Of what??? Of Edward having Bella??? You think that's what he's feeling in that moment???
He wasn't JEALOUS, for God's sake! He felt LOST now that Edward loved what he thought to be a monster and Bella's killer! He felt ALONE!!!! He felt ALONE now that he was the only one hating the baby, the monster who was killing Bella!!!
He knows Bella is married, and pregnant! How many times has he said that he would go away if only Bella didn't look so happy to see him all the time? He doesn't want her to love him right now. He just wants to be able to walk away and forget. It's Bella who doesn't let him go!!!
Again, you know NOTHING about Jacob. Read again, not only this book, but the whole series. And while reading, try not to see Jacob through a veil of hate.
Yes EJ Is for Edward Jacob Page 371 you just haven't gotten there Kaleb
I really wish they did :/ i think it is SICK who Jacob ends up with >_<
i couldn't agree with you more 🙂
Oh, wow! Kaleb answered me. lol Well, I'll try my best to explain my point of view, even though it's 5:40 here in Spain and even though my knowledge of the English language is a little limited for these hard discussions.
Now, you always think about their situation as if it was a normal one. It's not normal. It can't be compared with real life, because it's not real life.
Bella, Edward and Jacob have bonded to each other in an unbreakable way which won't allow them to separate their relationships. It's not about Bella and Jacob's love for each other. It's not about Edward and an old boyfriend (by the way, Bella and Jacob were never together, so he's not an old boyfriend). This thing they have runs deeper than that. And they know it. The three of them.
Jacob is Bella's best friend, and right now that's the only thing he will ever be to her. He knows that. She knows that. Even if they love each other, they know there won't be anything between them. Ever. And Edward knows that too, so Jacob's love for her (and Bella's love in return) isn't a problem anymore.
On the other hand, you always say that Jacob tried to steal her from Edward. It was not like that. He wasn't thinking: “He has her and I love her, so I have to have her. Screw him”. That wasn't his motivation. He truly thought that Edward was going to be the end of her. He really thought that Bella wasn't safe with Edward. He believed that he had to try his best to get her away from that monster he thought Edward was. And he knew she loved him too, so he thought that the only opportunity he had was to show her that she had another path, another choice. A better and healthier choice. He gave up when Bella told him that she loved him, but that her love for him didn't change anything. He gave her up then. Not once in this book has he tried to steal her from Edward, yet you Team Edwards still see him as a threaten to their relationship. Stop thinking like that. The only thing he wants now is to keep Bella happy, and to protect her from his brothers. That's why he's still there.
Anyway, I think it's not disrespectful to Edward. Because the situation they're in isn't normal, because Edward himself knows Jacob's pain and feelings and he's the one who understands more than anyone (even Jacob himself) that he deserves some recognition, because Jacob has been there for Bella all the time, because he has protected her life even more times than Edward, because if Jacob wasn't there, Bella wouldn't have been there either.
I'm sorry I can't explain myself better, it's really frustrating for me. As I said, my English is very limited. But the main point here is that you compare it with a normal situation when it's not normal at all. You did it on the wedding, and you're doing it here again.
And I'm going to bed. lol It's 6:00 AM here in Spain. I should be sleeping. Thanks for answering.
P.S. That said, I really think that if Bella had called her kid “Edward Jacob”, Jacob would have thrown a fit. lol He would want his name to be attached to that baby. I think it would be disrespectful to Jacob, not to Edward. 😉
I prefer Renesmee only because the name EJ reminds me of Titanic when Bruce Ismay says to the captain, “Retire with a bang, eh, EJ?” So i think of old white haired men with beards when I think of EJ.
lol i second that! 😀
lol random 😀 i would have never thought of that if it weren't for you. Titanic is a great movie btw 🙂 love it!