Reading Breaking Dawn: Chapter 26 (Shiny) and Chapter 27 (Travel Plans)

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1. Agree to a lot of what you said.

2. Really! Taylor probably freaked out when he read Breaking Dawn at first!
   I know he's gonna' be awesome though!

3. Excellent points! We cannot compare imprinting to human love and human relationships. It is something totally different and in a class by itself. It would be like calling a race between Jacob and Edward and Mike fair.
   You can't compare apples to oranges to pears.

4. Awesome post!

5. I love it! And good comments!!

6. Agree. It was pretty funny that Bella attacked Jake as a newborn. I just am glad that it didn't end up bad.

7. I have to disagree. I feel that the main characters suffered tremendously. Especially Jacob.
   Yes, everyone ended up happy, but that is the way SM meant for it to end up!
   Why does a good story have to mean that someone dies or gets totally destroyed emotionally?
   It doesn't.

8. I never said it was forced, I said it felt like it was forced while reading it.

   I'm not saying I didn't want bella to be happy I did want her to be and I don't blame SM for allowing it either.

   For the most part I'm cool with the whole book. It's just while reading it it felt forced, and maybe a bit rushed. Like she should have taken some more time to fine tune it or something. She is an amazing writer and can write really fast. I think that maybe she should have taken some time off and relexed a bit which I'm glad she is doing now.

9. If you look at the ages that Edward and Bella turned into vampires at it is denfitally not creepy. Jacob is still human he still ages. It may not be physicaly now but he still has a birthday every year. Vampires don't celabrate birthdays after they turn into one. Why would you have a birhday every year if you knew that you were basicaly the walking dead?

10. He was so furious that that is what he was THINKING of doing, but there is no way he would have really done it, unless the baby was an actual MONSTER. And even then, he would only do it to protect human beings and he would have never done it if he thought Bella was still alive.

    Dude. He would have NEVER murdered an innocent baby. NEVER.PERIOD. He is a PROTECTOR not a murderer. I cannot believe anyone could ever say that of Jacob. He purposefully left his pack and became a homeless person to stop them from harming Bella and the Cullens. Yeah, that is a real murderer alright.

    He thought Reneesme was a monster. He thought that she was killing Bella (which she was, but it wasn't on purpose). That is why he hated Reneesme, because he (and most of the Cullens too!) thought that she would be one of those terrifying, horrendous newborns. If you remember, Edward wanted Carlisle to force an ABORTION on Bella. That would be killing Reneesme too, wouldn't it. That would be her own father and grandfather doing it, too. But you don't see that as murder, do you? Once Edward was able to communicate with her he would never do that once was able to understand that she was NOT a monster. Neither would JAKE!

    Now as for the “gay” thing. What reason would you have for Jacob all of the sudden being gay, other than to be disrespectful to the Saga? That was YOUR put down line, not mine.. I have NO PROBLEM with gay people. In fact, I love many of them.
    So if Jacob would've been gay, or any character in the Saga, fine. But for you to “wish Jacob was gay”, just doesn't make any logical sense unless you were using that to put Jacob down. What other reason would you wish him to be gay for?
    Unless you are a guy and like him for yourself, I don't understand why you would wish Jacob to be gay. It just sounds like an immature statement from someone who is venting and hating on Jacob.
    If that is not your reasoning for wanting him to be gay, then fine, but you really need to explain yourself further, because otherwise that statement makes no sense.

11. I can understand that.

12. I really disagree. It is not like Bella was pregnant the whole book series! What Jacob and Bella had was just friendship. She wanted to be with Jacob when she wasn't going to have Renesmee.

13. I'm saying the reason Bella and Jacob had that unbreakable connection was because Jacob was always supposed to be in Bella's life – because he was destined to imprint on Renesmee. I always wondered why Bella was always so concerned about Jacob throughout all the books – but it was because there was this hidden connection we found out about in Breaking Dawn. The connection didn't happen when she became pregnant.

14. i hafta agree with ancha85 🙂

15. Your comment made me laugh, you know, babybott330 xD And yes, it would suck to have Paul as a brother (in law). Oh well, Jacob survived 3 years of heartbreak, he will manage to survive it XD

16. I have Breaking Dawn in my hands and I quote for that: “Perfect. The new position was perfect for my strike. I leaned forward, and felt the heat begin to change me while the pull toward the killer grew” (359).

    “Rosalie would try to kill me when the creature was dead, and I would fight back. I wasn't sure if I would have time to finish her before the others came to help. Maybe, maybe not. I didn't care much either way” (358).

    “Every inside me came undone as I stared at the tiny porcelain face of the half-vampire, half-human baby. All the lines tha theld me to my life were sliced apart in swift cuts, like clipping the strings to a bunch of ballons. Everything that me who I was-my love for the dead girl upstairs, my love for my father, my loyalty to my new pack, the love for my brothers, my hatred for my enemies, my home, my name, my self–disconected from me in that second-snip snip snip- and floated into space. I was not leeft drifting . a new string held me where i was” (360).

    He hated Renesmee because he THOUGHT she had killed Bella. Which she didn't! And if he had bothered to stick around and check before going off and attempting to murder her new born child (If Jacob hadn't imprinted, Renesmee would be dead right now)

    And on the gay thing, it's just because Forks seems to be so….anti-diversial. They have the tribe, and they're all of the same race, but they live on a totally different reservation! We never hear anything about African Americans, or Hispanics, or Asians, or gays, and it'd just be nice to have a little more diversity in one of the main characters. Because really, no one expected Eric Yorkie to be Asian in the movie, or Tyler to African American.

    Forks is a Caucasion town, with a Native American Reservation off to the side. Not exactly my idea of diverse.

    And, also on the 'I wish Jacob was gay' subject, it'd also prove to be interesting if one moment he likes guys, and the next moment he imprinted on a girl.

17. In response to the following –
    “I have Breaking Dawn in my hands and I quote for that: “Perfect. The new position was perfect for my strike. I leaned forward, and felt the heat begin to change me while the pull toward the killer grew” (359).

    “Rosalie would try to kill 'me when the creature was dead, and I would fight back. I wasn't sure if I would have time to finish her before the others came to help. Maybe, maybe not. I didn't care much either way” (358).

    Yes, I agree. He would have killed “the creature” because he thought it was a monster. Yes, part of his reasoning was because he felt she had killed Bella, but if she was a human baby that had caused Bella's death, he wouldn't have even have fathomed the idea of killing it. He would have been sad and probably angry too, that Bella had died, but he wouldn't have hated a HUMAN baby.He only was feeling this, because he thought the baby was a monster, as ALL young children vampires had been in the past. Edward clearly wanted to kill it too, the only thing that changed his mind was when Nessie communicated that she loved her mama already.

    The next quote you have is his feeling when he imprinted. He knew then that Reneesme could not be evil, because the imprinting occurs to help the wolves continue to protect humanity, so no way would he have imprinted on an “evil creature”. The ONLY thing Jacob is EVER willing to kill is a vampire.

    “Every inside me came undone as I stared at the tiny porcelain face of the half-vampire, half-human baby. All the lines tha theld me to my life were sliced apart in swift cuts, like clipping the strings to a bunch of ballons. Everything that me who I was-my love for the dead girl upstairs, my love for my father, my loyalty to my new pack, the love for my brothers, my hatred for my enemies, my home, my name, my self–disconected from me in that second-snip snip snip- and floated into space. I was not left drifting . a new string held me where i was” (360).

    Even as much jealousy and anger he feels with Edward, once he truly starts to know Edward, that starts to fade away. He can see Edward as a “monster” as long as he doesn't really know him, but once he starts to actually converse with him, that feeling starts to change. He could have NEVER truly killed Edward or any of the Cullens.

    In fact, he abandoned his pack and his tribe to save them. Yes, his main objective was to protect Bella, but as he told Jared “Even though you think this is just for Bella, your wrong. I am going to protect innocent people, including the Cullens.” I paraphrase that, but that is pretty close to what he said.

    I am glad that they used diverse actors for the parts of the school kids. I really am. But SM wrote about Forks as it really IS. There are small towns in America that are predominately white or predominately black or predominately Hispanic. Not many small towns are diverse. That is just a fact. At it doesn't make them a bad place. Forks is a small town near a small Native reservation. SM is portraying it as it is. Not every story has to be about “diverse” characters. It does not make it bad if it is not.
    Plus, the way SM is portraying the Quileutes is pretty amazing. She and Summit are doing a fantastic job of promoting pride in Native people. I am very proud of them for that.

    Now again about the “gay” thing. We would not even have a Saga if Jacob had been portrayed as gay. Period. SM would have written “Twilight” and maybe some version of BD, but the books would have not been NEAR as interesting (and I would say wonderful, too) without Jacob and the love triangle. There is NO WAY that Jacob could have been portrayed as gay.

    It just seems to me because you hate him, you want to change him into something he is not. IMHO, anyone who wants to change the Saga or hates something in it is, in a way, being disrespectful to Stephenie Meyer. Because it is HER Twilight world, her story, so SHE decides how the story is going to go, not ANYONE else. You don't have to like the story, but you should be respectful of it and SM.
    It has hurt her a lot when people hate her characters, especially Jacob. I don't blame her, it hurts me, too.

    And even your concept is strange. The whole purpose of the wolves is to protect humanity by being protectors and carrying on the line. Most likely if a Quiluete were gay, they would not be transformed into a wolf, because they could not carry on the line. And if they were, don't you think that would be awful for someone who was gay to be forced into heterosexuality by imprinting? That is just strange, sorry but I just don't get it.
    Jake is NOT a murderer and the “gay” thing is just strange. Sorry.

18. Wow, this is the first Twilight conversation that I've actually enjoyed in awhile. You really know your Twilight stuff, and you're really literate. I have to congradulate you, because your views are intriquing and well stated, you're very articulate as well, but you get to the point fast.

    I placed the imprinting quote to show how quickly he changed from his 'kill Renesmee thing” Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

    I do not hate Jacob. I used to hate Jacob up untill the end of Eclipse. I just hate the pairing of Jacob and Bella together. I don't hate any of the Twilight cast, I just have mixed feels towards the Saga overall.

    Also, just because something would be awful, doesn't mean it wouldn't be interesting. I examine every option, every possible plotline or story line, because the theories around things like that, are as you say, strange, but are also very interesting.

    He's not a murderer, but if he hadn't imprinted, he would be. Honestly, I find the idea of imprinting extremely fascinating, but I dislike Jacob's choice. I prefer Leah ^.^

    The thing I do dislike about Twilight is, is that when it ends, everything fits together way to perfectly.

19. Also, on the hating Jacob subject again. Most authors right books, and want their readers to feel passionate about their characters, whether in good ways or bad. I believe that it's not offensive to hate a fictional character because of their actions. I believe it is offensive to hate a fictional character because of the quality of how they were written.

    Do you honestly think such writers as JK Rowling would be upset if a reader hated Voldemort?

    I hated Jacob because he was trying to break up Edward and Bella, that was all. Otherwise I liked him, but I came to like him more as we read inside his mind insteadd of Bella's. Then I disliked him again when he imprinted on Renesmee. Now I just wish he had a more interesting plotline and not so perfect ending. Same with the rest of the characters .

20. Thank you, I truly hate it when people don't like the book just because they find it “creepy”. Its not creepy at all, and theres a lot more to the book than just this one aspect

21. oh for crying out loud, forming a negative opinion of a published book isn't disrespectful. it's not being so obsessed with an author and loving everything associated blindly so that you still HAVE an opinion. nobody is talking about burning books and sending hate mail.

22. yes you have made it perfectly clear in your comments to every single post regarding this question that you love and accept everything SM has done or ever will write. we get it.

23. First of all, thanks for the compliments. It is nice to be able to have an
    “agree to disagree” conversation with someone rational who does not get all angry and defensive if someone does not agree with their point of view.

    Now saying that, and after reading the above, I only have a couple of last things I would like you to consider.

    First of all, of course it is not wrong to dislike a character in the book. There always has to be a “bad guy/villain” in a story, there has to be conflict. How could anyone not hate Voldemort. However, and this is a BIG however, Jacob Black is NOT a villain. He is a kind, caring, loyal, and loving person.
    Did he try to take Bella away from Edward? Yes, but that does not make him bad.

    When he started his relationship with her, Edward was GONE. Edward and told her he was NEVER returning. Bella was in a severe depression, suicidal. Jacob saved her from that, and many other things. Without Jacob Black it is very likely that Edward would have come back to a very broken person or to no one. She likely would have died, from her own actions or Laurent's.
    If Edward wouldn't have left, they wouldn't even have had the kind of relationship that they did. They felt attraction and love for each other because Edward LEFT. Edward himself realizes he is the cause for Bella and Jacob's strong bond. He accepts the consequences of it because he knows it is his fault.

    Now, Jacob is a 16 year old boy, who is in love. What 16 year old boy is just going to give up on the object of his affection, just because the “old boyfriend” comes back? He cannot turn off his feelings like that, and neither can Bella.
    But besides all of that “normal human emotion” stuff that he is feeling, that is NOT the main reason why is fighting for Bella so much.

    The PRIMARY reason that Jacob is fighting for Bella is because he is so afraid for her. He is afraid that she is going to DIE or be turned into the UNDEAD (which for him and his pack is worse than death) because she is in a relationship with a vampire. He cannot imagine that these vampires are really what they claim to be, good, caring, honest people. When he gets to know them, he realizes his prejudice and changes. He says, “That's the problem about hanging out with vampires, you start to think of them as people.” He starts to realize his own prejudice and the Cullens start to realize their own prejudice against the wolves, too.

    I don't understand how you can compare good-hearted Jacob Black to Voldemort, there just is no comparison. Now if you compared Aro to Voldemort, that is a different story. Aro is not near as evil, but he's pretty evil.
    So IMHO, it is fine to hate an evil character, it is not fine to hate a character that is good, but is causing conflict. Jacob is a wonderful character.

    And just to let you know, I truly believe that Bella and Edward must be together. They are soulmates. But so are Jacob and Nessie, they belong together. In fact, Bella and Jacob belong in each others' lives in some capacity. Not necessarily as a romantic relationship, but in some way. Some people are just SUPPOSED to be in our lives.I am very glad that things ended the way they did.

    I understand that a lot of people don't like that there was not more “sacrifice” and that things ended so well for Bella, because that is the way “good literature” is supposed to happen. Well, why can't the author end her story the way SHE wants to. SM did not start writing these books to become rich or famous. She wrote these books because she loves her characters and loves that we love them, too.
    IMHO I am thrilled that she ended it as she did.

24. I just don't like it that people say they “hate Jacob” or that he is “evil” or that they “want him to die”. If he was an evil character, I would have no problem with that, but he is just a teenage boy caught in the middle of a very difficult situation that is not any his fault.
    The whole reason Bella and Jacob have this strong bond, is that Edward LEFT.
    Jacob is just trying to defend someone he loves.

25. I am not saying that I “love and accept” everything that SM does. But yes, I do love this Saga and her three main characters. They. Are. Awesome. PERIOD.

    I don't understand being so cruel to a character that is a 16 year old teenage boy in a very difficult situation. He does the best he can and is not EVIL.

    The main reason all of this happened is because Edward LEFT. Is he evil? No.

26. ok i totally agree with your Edward vs. Jacob thing

    BUT…..

    Nessie really changed him just like Bella changed Edward and vice-versa hes not trying to take Nessie away from Bella. and i love how EVERYTHING worked out how neither of them(Bella and Jacob) have to hurt anymore. i think that Jake imprinting on Nessie is the SMARTEST most beautiful thing Stephenie Meyer did.

27. I agree. It's been said in the series that imprinting doesn't always mean being in love with the person (or half-person, half-vampire) at the moment. Another member of the wolf pack, Quill, imprinted on a young girl. And he was there to be whatever she needed; babysitter, a playmate, a best friend. There weren't near as many comments on how “gross” that was. I don't think people would be reacting this strongly if it wasn't Bella's baby. I understand Bella and Jacob's history, and I think the imprinting explained it well. Bella and Jacob wanted to be in each other's lives, maybe because fate knew they always would be. Bella wanted Jacob as a best friend, and now he can truly be that. Jacob was attracted to Bella, possibly because he was drawn to something that could have been the future Nessie. The fact is, Jacob wants nothing more than to be there for Renesmee, whatever that means. And seeing how much he cares, I think he will be wonderful. Besides, if he had been thinking anything inky, Edward would have already ripped his throat out by now.

28. Plus how creepy would it be to be nessie, and know your boyfriend (is this the right word?) has kissed your MOM!!!!

    TWICE!!!!!!!!

29. ok ya Renesmee didn't have a choice but neither did jake. and besides i dont think she wanted a choice because he is just as perfect for her as she is for him even if she did have a choice he would have been her choice!

30. im not sure he COULD have imprinted on Leah because she is a wolf too!!!!

31. I disagree. Viewing each book individually instead of a piece in the lives of these characters might reveal BD to be “powered by easy wins.” However, I view the books as an ongoing story. They didn't suffer?! These characters have had enough torture, unhappiness, tragedy to DESERVE some happiness. I was quite satisfied with BD. I LOVE that Bella is no longer in need of anyone's protection. I LOVE that Bella is a mommy. I LOVE that Edward is a daddy. I LOVE that Jacob is there for their daughter. ( I understood so much of the parent angst that I connected with Bella finally).

    The imprinting didn't bother me at all. I thought “He is her perfect playmate, friend, and eventual mate.” As parents, you couldn't ask for a better son-in-law.
    However, I totally understood Bella being upset. “Is there anyone else who gets first dibs at my kid before me?”
    “and then you nickname her after the Loch Ness monster?” lol. That was great!

    I'd explain in more details but I do not want to spoil anything for our TwilightGuy (whose website I adore).

32. Ok Twilight fans! Ive gotten over one hundred Emails involving this comment, so if you plan to reply to my comment, read the others to make sure it isnt something that hasnt already been addressed. Im suprised that SOOO many people are interested in this very important twilight subject. But please take it easy! im going to try and read all of your comments (even if i must stay up all night until im done) . So hold your comments until at least Saterday night!

33. srry replyed to the wrong comment! im talking about the comment right above this one /
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34. At the same time, Renesmee is aging at a hugely accelerated rate. She's on a much higher level than any regular newborn, much like Bella. It's an interesting parallel.
    Edward is only 17 on a very technical level. He has experienced many more years of life than Bella, and has learned far more about the world.

35. I agree with you. If there were going to be a “fault” for the way that Jacob and Bella ended up feeling about each other, the fault would belong to Edward. As you've said, he even states it in the book.
    As I've said, I really see no other person that Renesmee could end up with, if not for <the one person> who's way older than her anyway.
    However, there are times that I haven't liked Jacob from the standpoint that he was in the way and making me angry. Of course, I've also felt that way about Bella and Edward a time or two, as well.
    As for Name, who can down people without actually stepping up and holding their own identity, get a life. I'm in love with everything that Stephenie has written, and it is not out of some crazy blinding love. I find her to be an exceptional author who writes in a style that I particularly enjoy.
    I also have to agree about the diversity issue. In The Host, just for example, there are people of all walks of life. To say that the books are not diversified simply seems to state that you feel Stephenie is prejudiced. Once she decided to place the story within the town of Forks, all other possibilities fell away. You can choose to make Forks as diversified as, say California, for example.
    Since Rowling was brought into this long before my mention, allow me to say this: Someone please cite specific examples for me in which you realized long before her mentioning it that Dumbledore was gay. I actually picked up chemistry between him and McGonagle, if anything. Rowling jumped on a boat to become diversified, and left many readers wondering what just happened. I love the Harry Potter series, and I think as far as villains go, Voldemort is superbly written.
    I'm sorry, I see no way at all how Jacob being gay could have enriched the storyline. Also as has been said, wouldn't it really be tragic if he were gay and somehow imprinting forced him into loving a woman?
    What aggravates me the most is that we have all read the rest of the book already and we know what happens. How could you not admit how essential to the plot the Jacob/Renesmee pairing is by the end, even if you hate it? Not to mention, I prefer the extreme mental battle that takes place as opposed to half our beloved characters dying off.

36. Just in case you're not keeping up, Name has made it perfectly clear that he/she hates you, and I assume, me by extension of agreeing with you. We are losers and it is not okay for us to love Stephenie Meyer's writing and characters and we totally need to get lives.
    Edward is GOD, Jacob is evil, you are a loser, I am a loser, and Leah pwns all, okay? 😉

37. Thanks for all your support BB! I really appreciate it when someone else helps me defend Jacob and/or SM and how she wrote BD.

    I too totally agree with everything you said. Like minds think alike, as they say. Very intelligent and well thought out comments!

    And how could Jacob being gay serve any purpose to SM's story? I just didn't get it. I am glad that I am not the only one. And I would have been soo upset if any of the beloved characters had died. Someone said on another post that it would have been more interesting if SM had killed off one of the Cullens, for example Esme. I was thinking NOOOOO!! That would just be awful! For both Esme and Carlisle and all of the siblings! Look what happened to Tanya' clan when their mother died!
    It would have been TERRIBLE. Thank God SM brought everything to a great conclusion!
    Now I just hope and pray that she writes a book about Renesmee and Jacob or with Leah as a main character. That would be soo awesome!

    Also, I pray she does finish MS one day. What I read of it opened my eyes up to Edward's POV so much!

38. You just crack me up, BB! As another Jacob defender said, we shouldn't beat our heads against a wall with people who are narrow minded and can't handle a civil discussion.

    Name has every right to her opinion, as long as she states it in a civil way, some people don't know how to do that, though. Too bad…

39. all I'm saying is that someone can love a book and simultaneously discuss it critically. it has nothing to do with respect. I don't understand why anyone would be so personally offended by this concept.

40. Of course it is possible to love a book and be RESPECTFULLY critical. I don't love all aspects of the Saga either. I think Edward is too controlling. Don't get me wrong, I love Edward, and totally believe he and Bella MUST be together, but I do not like that he does not treat her as an equal partner sometimes.
    I understand that he cannot do that physically, as she IS a danger magnet, and she is a human in the middle of all of these supernatural creatures, but too often he lies to her to protect her “fragile feelings”.
    Bella is a strong person mentally and emotionally, and if Edward had treated her that way, instead of lying and hiding the truth from her, a lot of the problems the had could have been avoided. But saying that, I know that that is part of what makes the Saga so interesting.
    I am being critical of Edward in a respectful way. I am not saying “Oh, Edward is ridiculous! He is so stupid for leaving Bella in New Moon! She should have never left to go save him. He deserved to have the Volturi kill him, for being so stupid!”
    If I or anyone said that online about Edward, Team Edward fans would be furious! And rightly so, because it is disrespectful.
    Yet it is supposedly OK for some Team Edward fans to say “I hate Jacob!” “Jacob is a stupid, mongrel dog.” “I wish Jacob was gay!” (I really don't understand that one) or “I wish Jacob was dead!” I am sorry, but that is not being just critical, but also disrespectful.

    SM has said that it hurts her when people say things like that to her about Jacob. She loves BOTH Edward and Jacob. And for those of us who love both of them, too, it is feels hurtful. I feel like I am constantly defending Jacob from people, yet I hardly ever see a Team Jacob person saying such things about Edward. There is nothing wrong with friendly teasing, but here IS something wrong with disrespectful comments.I would never say anything like that about any of the characters in the Saga.

    For example, I do not like the Volturi. Jane is a masochistic, evil creature. I could say “I wish the Cullens would totally destroy her, after torturing her until she wished she were dead!” Many people would say that Jane would deserve that. But, I would never expect the Cullens to be evil like her. I would never expect SM to disrespect any of her characters like that. The Volturi are a necessary and important part of the Saga. What would the story be without them? Not near as exciting. So even thought we can not like them, because they are “the bad guys”, we should respect their place in the story.

    Many people do NOT respect Jacob's place in the story.
    It is perfectly fine to be critical in a respectful way, just not in a DISRESPECTFUL way. I am in no way offended by the concept of respectful criticism. I am offended by disrespectful, immature comments.

41. I agree completely! I wanted to murder Bella in this chapter, I really did. She was being completely ridiculous! How does she get off being angry at Jacob for something completely out of his control? And she's acting like she has an exclusive claim on Renesmee or something…when she really doesn't anymore. The bond that Jake now has to Renesmee is UNBREAKABLE. I think he has as much right to the baby as Bella does! Besides which, Jacob is finally HAPPY now, a feat unto itself after everything Bella did to him, and now that he's finally recovered from her, she'd going to take away his ONE chance to be happy in life! After all the pain she's already caused him, she has to take this away, too! Especially since he doesn't even want to STEAL her baby, he is more than willing to share. I'm sorry, but that would really make Bella a monster, in the truest sense of the word.

    I also don't understand why Bella and Edward are so opposed to Jacob imprinting on Renesmee. Honestly, I thought Bella would be thrilled. I was thrilled. Do they not realize how many of their problems this solves? For one thing, now that Jake's imprinted, the wolves can't harm Renesmee, which strengthens their alliance. (that's coming up in the next chapter.) For another, Jacob doesn't have to be in pain anymore over Bella, and Edward doesn't have to be jealous anymore! And yet, Jake can still be a part of her life, as he was always meant to be, and they can both love each other the right way, instead of the way that hurts everyone involved. Isn't that what Bella has always professed to want for Jacob and herself? Not to mention how lucky Renesmee is to have someone like Jacob in her life. He truly only has her best interests at heart. As many have said, imprinting isn't necessarily romantic. Jacob TRULY loves her, and will fill whatever role Nessie needs him to fill in her life. As her needs change, he will change to accommodate them. I mean, how can they not be happy to have someone who cares so deeply for their daughter?

    I only forgave Bella for her awful behavior because she didn't mean a lot of what she said, she was just having a vampire over-reaction. Really, she and Edward would BOTH have to be blind to not see the reason in this! Even I thought it was the best possible solution!

    Okay, I'm done babbling now. Phew, that felt good to get out.

42. “I've always believed that Bella and Edward should be togetherbe cause I hate them both and Jake's too good for Bella, so I might be biased.”

    HA HA! While I don't hate Bella or Edward, there IS something to be said for that, because they both have similar negative qualities.
    LOL, I love that line. I don't completely agree, yet I still love it.

43. I could not agree more! I was so happy for Jake and for everybody else when I realized he had imprinted. I thought Bell and Edward would be happy too, and was shocked when they weren't.

44. I've read it 3 times so I know how things turn out and thats why i forgive Bella for attacking Jacob, motherly+vampiric emotions lead to explosive breakdowns sometimes lol.

    And it does feel good to get out doesn't it 🙂

45. ok i like the idea of the soul within the egg much better than the egg itself. i am adopting that thought now. my feelings on it haven't changed but the idea of him falling for an undeveloped soul is much less icky than him falling for an unfertilized egg! haha

46. You dont imprint on more than one person It is a once in a lifetime thing.

47. I didn't say that.
    If Bella and Jacob had got together in New Moon or eclipse, then Bella wouldn't of had Nessie.. therefore Jake wouldn't of imprinted.
    So theres nothing stopping Jake from imprinting on someone when Bella and Jake are together.
    It's possible for that to happen.

48. ok I misunderstood what you were saying. All I meant was there is only one person he would imprint on so even if Jacob and Bella had hooked up he never would have imprinted on anyone.

49. As opposed to the huge-r age difference between Edward and Bella?

    While I understand people being squicked because Renesme is a baby when Jacob imprints on her – imprinting means nothing more than that that person becomes the centre of your universe. There's no fixed romantic interpretation with imprinting unless the person being imprinted wants it to be that way. Basically the imprinter gives their purest devotion because they are willing and happy to be *whatever the imprintee wants them to be*. I don't get why that's so much more squicky than the idea of Edward being 80 years older than Bella when they become *romantically* involved.

    Seems a bit hypocritical. On one side you have something that isn't imediately romantic and has a smaller age difference; and on the other hand you have something that is and has a larger age difference but that somehow flies because outwardly Edward looks younger than Bella.

    In other words you have people being squicked not because of what something *IS* but because of what something *LOOKS LIKE*. That seems pretty lame to me.

    If Renesme grew up and fell in love with someone else the whole point of imprinting would be that due to the level of devotion imprinting gives they can't be anything other than what the imprintee wants them to be.

    I actually have more issues with the idea of imprinting completely removing the aspect of choice and free will than issues over supposed 'squickiness'. If I can get over the major squickiness of of centunarian Edward boinking teenager Bella, then I can get over the supposed 'squick' off Jacob imprinting on Renesmee. Particularly when Renesmee's going to be fully grown in 7 years. And hell, even if there was no romance between them for thirty years there'd still be a smaller age difference between them than Bella and Edward.

    I'll never get how everyone ignores the 'squick' of that pairing. If it doesn't bother you fine but it's definitely just as weird as the other if not more so, imo.

50. In response to Chris34. I know it has been quite awhile since you have posted your comment on this blog, but what you have said has really resonated with me, and I have wanted to comment on it for some time.
    I find your theory about the Bella/Jacob/Renesmee relationship really interesting, and something that makes a lot of sense.

    I have heard people say that the imprinting thing is really disgusting, and it would be if you look at it through a HUMAN perspective, but we shouldn't look at it like that, as that is not how the wolves percieve it. For them, it is something totally different, that we as humans have a difficult time truly understanding. I have heard people call Jacob a pedophile or say that “he should die”, and that really bothers me. I understand where they are coming from in a way, but in reality they are looking at imprinting totally wrong.

    I have also heard the theory that there never was a “Team Jacob” to begin with, that Jacob was only in love with the egg inside of Bella that was going to be Renesmee, or that he imprinted on the half of Renesmee's DNA that was inside of Bella. I could not ever really wrap myself around that concept. It doesn't make complete sense to me.

    As you say, Jacob did have strong feelings for Bella before he ever turned into a werewolf. In fact, because he was so happy being with her, it took him longer to phase for the 1st time. I agree that he loved her from the beginning, but you are right, things did seem to intensify so much after he started phasing.

    I really like your theory that Jacob could not give up Bella, because he really was not able to give up Renesmee. You are absolutely right. Renesmee was his destiny and he had to be wherever she was, both before and after she was born. Excellent Theory!

    I do have one thing I would like you to consider regarding the Bella/Jacob relationship. I understand where you are coming from when you state you are not “Team Jacob” because you feel he forced himself on Bella and manipulated her (Edward manipulates her quite a bit to, for that matter). I understand you are looking at this from a Dad's point of view. And I also can understand that as a guy it bothers you when Jacob continues to open himself up to pain by not letting Bella go easily.
    But one thing I have a problem with from many people who don't like Jacob's behavior is that they don't see what his primary reason for not letting Bella go easily. His PRIMARY concern is her life.

    Yes, it would have hurt him to let her go, and being a teenage boy in love, that would have been extremely hard for him. But after awhile, part of him was desperately wanting the separation from her, especially in Breaking Dawn. Part of him wanted to start the healing process. He couldn't understand WHY she kept wanting to see him so badly (it was Nessie, of course).
    But I think he would have done it a lot faster and easier on both of them, if her life wasn't at stake.

    Jacob truly believed that if he gave up on her, her life was forfeit. He believed that he had to fight for her with every ounce of his being, to save her life. He was terrified that if Edward tried to turn her into a vampire, he would lose control and kill her. And if, by some miracle, he didn't kill her, then her soul would be forfeit, which to him and the other wolves was, in a way, worse than death.
    Jacob was supernaturally created to be the natural enemy of vampires, and it was only because of the true goodness inside the Cullens that he was ever able to see them differently. This is a great example for young people to see that prejudice takes many different forms, and that if enemies just communicate with each other, they see the humanity in one another and can no longer BE enemies

    So, as Stephenie Meyer has said on her website, Jacob's main concern was saving Bella's life/soul, and he did ALL that he could to prevent her from losing that. Once he realized that the Cullens could exist and not be monsters, he was willing and able to give Edward permission to not break the treaty when he turned her.
    The romantic situation was extremely important to him personally, but it was only a secondary motivation for him. His first and foremost motivation was to save Bella.

    Anyway, I know this was very long, and you might not even ever see it, but I felt like I had to comment on your theory (I like it very much!) and also defend Jacob a little bit, maybe give you a little different perspective on his motivation for doing what he did.
    I will be attending the Twicon Convention next week in Dallas. I know one of the Breakout Panel members is going to discuss her theory about Jacob only being in love with Renesmee's DNA. If I get a chance, I will try and offer up your theory as a possible alternative to that. I hope you don't mind! 🙂