The song for this chapter is I’ll Stand By You by The Pretenders (suggested by Giada)
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As Halloween is rapidly impending, I have started to ponder some good haunting movies I should watch while I gorge myself to blotation on leftover candy (hopefully including Reeses, if the little goblins and witches don’t bang down my apartment door and take it all). I’m thinking of Nightmare Before Christmas (again) or Pan’s Labyrinth (very much again) or Hellboy II (first time) or perhaps all three (whoopee). It would make my week wonderful. Which is far more than Bella can say about her week in this chapter.
Things have obviously not been going well for her. She is still torn between her best friend and her true love: a triangle that has plagued many a character in many a soap-opera. Meanwhile, Edward has gotten mighty thirsty, and Bella is insistent that he head off with his brothers and bag a few mountain lions (and we all know my experiences with mountain lions).
Due to multiple previous examples, I keep on expecting Bella to get into some sort of trouble while Edward is not around. I am sure that Edward is thinking along the same lines, because of how carefully placed Alice is, within 10 minutes of Bella in case anything ‘interesting’ happens in Edward’s absence (AKA, Bella tries to speak with Jacob / takes up that cliff-diving hobby again).
Even though Bella seems safe, I get this strange feeling that Victoria is already formulating a plan. After all, she has outwitted both werewolves and vampires for months. What sort of super-powerful vampire is she?
It is so interesting how Bella found a loophole in Alice’s powers. She hadn’t at all been intending to head on over to see Jacob, especially with Alice only ten minutes away and ready to stop her if she tried. But the catch to this is that Alice wouldn’t have time to read Bella’s thoughts and get on the trail before Bella had already crossed the border line.
Jacob, of course, is very happy to see Bella. But, as usual, things begin to turn sour as questions are raised, and Jacob again tries to convince Bella she is better off with him.
He does, however, have one slightly irritating habit. Jacob simply cannot wrap his brain around the fact that the vampires have names and that he should probably call them by it. Even dogs have names, and people will rarely if ever holler out DOG! and expect an animal to come running. So, in watching Jacob’s conversations closely, I have devised the following chart that tells me which vampire he is talking about:
The fortune-telling bloodsucker — Alice
The big one –Emmett
That redhead — Victoria
The blonde – Rosalie
The other blonde — Jasper
Their leader — Carlisle
That big fat ugly rotten no-good stinking horrible bloodsucking scoundrel from the deepest and stinkiest depths of hell — Edward
It is like in a way, Jacob is showing yet again how low he thinks of the Cullens: he hardly ever uses their names, because to him they are lower than animals. I did, however, find it rather amusing that Jacob has such anger against supernatural creatures, when in fact he is the one who will suddenly rip his clothing to shreds and turn into a big hairy wolf.
Speaking of wolves, I was rather confuzzled by the flier that originally got Bella’s attention: SAVE THE OLYMPIC WOLF. What is it about the Olympic Wolf that needs saving? What is it about the Wolf that makes it Olympic?
As I was expecting, magnets appeared in this chapter. I remember mentioning this as an analogy before, which was followed by shouts that I’m either reading ahead or an undiscovered psychic. Reality is, it is easy to compare this little love triangle to magnets. Bella’s love is something that simply cannot be split across Jacob and Edward, no matter how hard she tries to force it.
Jacob does bring up and interesting point that I have actually pondered, whilst reading New Moon. What if Bella hadn’t jumped off the cliff? How many things would be different if you change one action?
This type of thing always intrigues me. It is a regular habit of mine when I am bored and cannot sleep to trace back certain things and wonder what would happen if I made a different decision. If I hadn’t sent my email query at the exact time I had, at 8 in the morning on May 17 of 2007, I might not have gotten the attention of an agent for my book. If I had in fact awoken on April 17 of 2008, the day after starting this site, and taken it back down (as I had planned to do), I would not be writing this right now.
Similarly, if Bella had not jumped off the cliff, and sent Edward spiraling into self-destructive depression, would the vampires had really come back to Forks? Because of this one, small change, would Bella still be with Jacob, instead of Edward?
And woe! Mike Newton is brought up again. I don’t think there ever was a person who was discussed more behind his own back than Mike. He is practically famous amongst vampires and werewolves, and he doesn’t even know it. Every conversation eventually leads back to something along the lines of, “Well then, I’m going to stick with something NORMAL for a change…like Mike Newton!”.
Question for the comments: what do you think would have happened if Bella had not jumped off the cliff in New Moon? Would Jacob’s idea be correct?
——NOTES——
– Apologies for the no-posting of TwilightGuy Reports this week — had a calculus and government exam. And we all know how much I adore calculus.
165 Responses
First of all to answer your guestion Edward definetly would have come back. He even says that to her when she finally wakes up, that he was through trying to get through one day without her.
Secondly, it says save the Olympic Wolf because Forks and La Push are located on the Olympic Peninsula. 🙂
I. Love. Reeses. Seriously, they’re completely amazing. Reeses and Twix are my favorite ever.
That’s one of my hobbies too, wondering what might have been. It never works. 🙂 Everything influences something else.
It actually says in New Moon or Eclipse that Edward was already planning on coming back to Bella. He couldn’t take it anymore.
For a look at life if she had not jumped off the clif i suggest reading the twilight moms forum under fanfiction and reading sacrifices by enthralled it is amazing.
Kaleb, I enjoying reading your reviews of each chapter! And The Nightmare Before Christmas is one of my favorite movies. Happy Halloween.
Edward would have come back, but not as soon, and Bella probably would have been with Jake, though still in love with Edward. But Edward would have come just to check on her, and if he had seen her with Jake, it would hurt him, but he would let her go. So really, who knows? Also, you need to read this ( http://www.stepheniemeyer.com/pdf/nm_extras_rosalie.pdf ). This explains what Edward went through in New Moon. It should explain why he would have gone back.
actually, in new moon, edward said he was coming back to forks any way and that he loved bella too much to stay away for long. but bella jumps off a cliff, so he goes to italy. jacob’s idea wouldn’t have been correct cuz edward would have came back any way……
Its an Olympic Wolf, becaus ethey live in the Olympic penisula. and i prefer darkchocolateMounds to gourage myself on, but Reece’s is a close theird after chocolate in general. Happy halloween! im going as Bella!
oh yeah, about halloween, in english we are watching the simpsons cuz its halloween tomorrow! yay! my english teacher is awesome!
Nah, Edward would’ve come back eventually, Jacob shouldn’t be getting his hopes up…
Well, if Bella wouldn’t have jumped off the cliff, she probably would have remained with Jacob for awhile longer.
But the truth is, Alice probably would have seen Victoria coming and that would have prompted Edward to come and save Bella eventually.
Because, I’m sure that at some point Edward would’ve read Alice’s thoughts and been like “oooh s*** not again,” and run off to save Bella.
SOO. It would probably be like the ending of New Moon, only in reverse ;D.
But that’s just my opinion XD.
Oh and btw, while I was reading this, i was in fact eating Reeses. They’re my favorite candy. Beyond belief ahaha.
I think he would’ve eventually come back but when he found Bella was with Jake who is a WEREWOLF he would’ve
A. Stayed in the shadows quietly wacthing for the day when Jake hurt her or
B. (I personally like this one;) rip her out of his arms and possably try to rip his head off
C. go all melodramatic and try to live without her again (note to Edward: before you do this remember how well it worked out the first time)
But I think he would’ve come back no matter if he did A,B,or C
you’ll get a better understanding of Mike Newton of you ever get around to reading Midnight Sun.
No, it was always Edward. But hey, i am an utter romantic.
Edward does say that he planned on coming back because he couldn’t take it anymore, but she jumped off the cliff before he did. If Bella hadn’t jumped I think he would’ve come back and somehow or other they would have ended up together. Or Alice would have seen Bella doing something and Edward would have seen it too and realized that she still loved him, ect. Eventually. It might have taken a while longer, but eventually it would have happened. I least I like to think so, but some fanfiction writers would disagree, lol
Happy Halloween! hope the trick or treaters dont take ALL the Reeses 🙂
First of all… poor Mike. I love how he is the epitome of a human boy.
Edward would have come back anyway, but that would have made a boring story wouldn’t it? I mean, the climax of the novel is Edward climbing back through her window and begging for forgiveness and pledging his love? That’s sweet, but it’s hardly exciting.
Remember that Edward did say he was tired of trying to last through minutes at a time. He would have come back because there is no force on Earth that can keep the two of them away from each other forever.
Well I don’t know if anyone said this before me, b/c I haven’t read allllll the comments before mine, but I believe the wolf is Olympic because, either:
a) he beat Michael Phelps in a swimming competition last week and is therefore an olympic champion
b) he’s from the Olympic Peninsula, in Washington 😀
I suppose b is more likely, considering the setting of Eclipse.
And no, I think Edward would have returned for Bella like he told her…
And he would’ve seen how miserable she was all the time and begged her to take him back 🙂
I think that Edward definitely would have come back. He always loved her, and experienced just as terrible as hers, if not worse. He didn’t even have a Jacob to ease the pain… of course, it probably wouldn’t have been so easy a transition.
Also, nice chart. Very useful. 😉
I had to write an entire fanfiction (the link above) to answer this question for myself and my answer:
Edward would not have stayed away. He said himself that he would have come back, if only to check up on Bella, and then the presence of Victoria would have forced him to stay, and because of the deep bond between himself and Bella they would have ended up together eventually; once he returned and they were able to talk to each other gravity would just move and they’d have to be together.
Idont think so because edward says in mew moon that… it wouldnt have been long before bella saw him begging to take her bak!!!!!! so u can take vampire from human but u cant take edward from bella!!
I doubt she would have stayed with Jacob. Edward wouldn’t have lasted much longer than she would have without each other. And I can’t see Jacob as anything more than that lovable best friend with an incredibly fantastic muscular structure.
I also feel your pain in the Calculus area. My exam was a weeks ago and I was blessed with the suprisingly passing grade of 73.
Haha I loved the name “Jacob” gives for Edward. That was priceless. And then to follow up with the Olympic Wolf ad…I was cracking up.
Alas, you begin to see the beginning of Jacob pushing himself onto Bella. It only gets worse from here.
And the question…if you read the New Moon Extras on Stephenie’s website (coughcoughDOITNOWcoughcough) you’ll see that Edward was barely making it, as he says in New Moon, a single hour. He would’ve come back eventually, probably within a few weeks if not sooner, and it would’ve been a much less dramatic end to New Moon. So…I’m kinda glad Bella jumped off the cliff. But no matter what, I don’t think Jacob’s plan would’ve worked. It would’ve if Bella had been dating a normal human guy, but since she was dating Edward *insert heavens parting and angels singing here*, poor Jacob just never had a chance.
In New Moon he said he would have come back eventually because his restraint was deteriorating. He would have come back and begged for Bella to forgive him. Even if Bella gave in and was with Jake. He’d try his hardest.
I think, all in all, that Edward and Bella would have still gotten together even if she hadn’t almost died.
Remember, (not a direct quote, please do not eat me) Edward said something along the lines of how he was past even living one day at a time and it had gotten to an hour at a time. He told Bella that he would have probably soon come back crawling and begging her for forgiveness, to take him back.
Jacob can rant all he wants about how good it would have been if Edward hadn’t come back, but the truth is, Edward is as much a part of Bella as she is to him so it was only a matter of time. Jacob doesn’t seem to get that.
Yeah, Edward would have come back, as he said, and I think Bella would have been all over that like white on rice. I don’t think things would have been that much different, just minus the drama that came along with racing the clock to save Edward, and meeting the Volturi, which cements more and more for Bella that she needs to become super vampirific. I think, had Edward come back and begged forgiveness, Bella may have been more easily convinced of his love for her.
Ha, Olympic Wolf is as in Olympic Peninsula… You know, Washington?
I think that even if she hadn’t jumped, Edward WOULD have come back anyway… So while Jacob and Bella might be together for… I don’t know, a few days? Bella would still come back to Edward.
In New Moon Edward mentions that he was about to crack anyway…it would’ve been a matter of time.
if bella didn’t jump off the cliff, i think edward would have come back eventually and everything would be about the same as now, sans impending volturi doom. though, if somehow edward had stayed away(ahem, unlikely) i STRONGLY believe that bella would have been okay eventually and had a life with jacob.
now! cue the harmonious uproar!
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I do not think that bella would have ended up with jake even if she hadnt jumped off that cliff, simply because edward was always seconds away from coming back, he was as depressed as she was if not more so(he did not a distraction aka awesome best friend to help him), and also he couldnt live without her and vise versa, he would have eventually come back and begged (though we all know he wouldnt have to) for her forgiveness and asked her to take him back, he was so close to this point when he heard rose’s news…
but for arguements sake less say he didnt and by some miracle managed to stay away from her….she probably would have ended up with jake regardless of how things were supposed to go…she was so close anyway, of loving him so dearly that she would have started somethign with him just to mmake him happy even though she couldnt give him her full heart…which wouldnt be fair to anyone…..
so personally I think edward would have come back regardless of how much I love jake and….he did even though perhaps not in the best fashion…alerting the volturi of bella was probably the worst side affect of the cliff diving hobby,
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If Edward were out of the picture, of course Bella would end up with Jacob. When they meet in the first book, Bella naturally liked Jacob. They got alone really well. BUT, Bella cannot resist the pull that is Edward. I bet, if Bella hadn’t been all crazy and jumped, she would be with Jacob. Edward would have come back, although MUCH later than what he does. He would have snuck in to just see her and how she was doing. He would have seen Bella with Jacob. Poor, poor Edward would have been heartbroken, but he would have been “right” in his belief that she would be better off without him. Whether he would stick around as her “shadow guardian”, run back and be depressed like he was last before, but this time believe he was right (because of the “proof”), or kill himself… hmm… not quite sure, I would need a little more time to think on that.
Love the funny, perceptive insights you have on the books. Thanks for being a weirdo and letting other weirdos see what you are doing. 🙂
Well I believe Edward when he said he would have come back anyway at the end of New Moon. And if any of you had read the extra on SM’s website where Edward gets the phone call fro Rosalie you could tell how miserable he was without Bella.
He definately would have come back, but not make contact at first. He would have made contact when he saw how only a small part of her had healed and she was much worse off without him or when he saw she was spending most of her time with a werewolf. He would not risk Bella’s safety. Inevitably, Edward would be back in Bella’s life, and sorry Jacob fans but Bella would most likely open her heart back up to him. Things would be the same as they are now.
Mike Newton, Mike Newton…
Remember in “Twilight” how Charlie asked about Mike, and then Edward told Bella a little while later he was feeling jealous about him? Thats what this post reminded me of.
I tend to do the same thing, thinking about things and how they would have been different if I did something other than what I had decided.
Funny thing seeing how you had already gotten to (Chapter 5) in only a few weeks, and how long it took to get to where you are now. I also find it funny how they call each other childish names. It seems more like teasing than anything to me.
On a different note, I dont’ think Jacob would have been correct. Edward has pointed out that he would have come back eventually even if she hadn’t jumped off of a cliff. I’ve heard how he grimaces every time someone mentions it.
Not sure how to put this, but your posts and analyzing of each chapter does tend to raise questions I hadnt thought of and it amuses me to see how easy your entertained.
You remind me more of the male characters in the Twilight Saga now than in your first posts.
I very much agree with about everyone else. Edward would have come back. His own need or some other instance would have brought him back. It was only a matter of time.
Olympic wolf. HA HA HA 😀
Even as a total Jacob lover, I SERIOUSLY doubt it..
I mean Edward even said he would’ve come back to check on her.. but i mean with his luck, he’d probably catch Bella filling her laugh quota of the month and run away in utter agony.. restarting the cycle..
Your doing pretty good so far Kaleb! The picture of the wolf was pretty funny.I read all the books twice, and I’m going for my third time!
As for your question, i think that even if she hadnt come back, Edward would have found a way to get back to Forks. He loves Bella to much to stay away, and he knows danger always finds her. Thts my opinion…
i think if bella wouldnt have jumped off the cliff she MIGHT have ended up with jacob but edward was coming back anyways and i think they would have been together again just in a more complicated love triangle. neither bella nor edward can be whole without the other.
and as for the Olympic wolf…it is talking about the fact that they are living on the Olympic peninsula! ha ha 🙂
Well that is in away hard to say, we know bella was giveing in to jake, before the whole cliff diveing thing.. so i think IF bella didnt jump, and edward did come back, like we know he probally would one day, he would see that bella is liveing, happy, well on the outside atleast, and edward, might be able to leave again… tho i dont think that would be possiable.. but maybe.. thats what i think atleast
Edward said he would have ended up coming back to see Bella in no time, but then the cliff diving incident happened, so without her jumping off a cliff, the issue would be whether she appeared happy in Forks without Edward; or was downright miserable. And that leads me to wonder if she would have given up on Edward and settled contently with Jacob. Or would she remain set in her ways and balencing on her razor’s edge. I find it hard to believe that she could remain where she was situated, and I think she would have ended up (kind of) happy with Jake.
Also, Edwards Jacob given name makes me hurt.
And, it hurt when you said you intended to take down the site………
Additionally, those are some of my favorite movies………..
I think, well actually I know (because Edward said it) that Edward was going to come back soon anyway. And I am positive that Bella would have gone straight back to him, even without all of the suicide attempt stuff. And Jacob would have been just as mad. So we probably would have ended up in a similar position by the beginning of Eclipse, but without all of the cool Italy stuff.
Edward’s name, Olympic wolves, this is the funniest one in a while, Kaleb. Good job.
I do believe that one small thing can change everything in a person’s life. If Bella hadn’t cut her finger than New Moon would just have been a horrible nonexistent mnightmare. Although, I do believe Edward would’ve came back anyway, it just might’ve taken him a while to justify with himself to come back to Bella. If you’ve ever seen Ferris Bueller’s Day off, it goes something along the lines of Cameron’s dialogue when he’s trying to decide whether to go hang out with Ferris or not.
“I should go back to Bella… But she’s probably over me.. But I miss her… But I’m a danger to her… But I miss the smell of her blood…” etc.
I think Edward would’ve come for Bella. as he said he couldnt stay away much longer. and coming back just to check on her would have been enough for bella to jump back into his pleading arms. jacob would still be pissed and most everything would b normal again. and she wouldnt have been grounded for running away to “LA” w/ alice
I think bella would be with jacob, they’d eventually get married, raise annoyingly destructive werewolf kids, the big package. But bella may turn out somewhat like Kim from edward scissorhands (if you’ve watched the whole thing, and see her going on about him at the end of the movie). have u seen those twilight tv spots? so far there’s been 6 and u can find them on youtube of course!
BELLA WOULD HAVE FOUND ANOTHER STUPID ACTIVITY TO DO… skydiving anybody?
and it would have send edward into frenzy anyways…
maybe bellas horrible habit of making bad decisions is not that bad at all. But I have to say I feel sorry for jacob he is a nice guy… but to much of stalker/pusher (but wasnt edward one too?) I don’t know I would have liked to explore that relationship more deeply, what would have happened if jacob and bella actually dated?
PS. Looooovedthe olympic wolf thing haha 🙂
First of all: love the eyebrows on that wolf. That really made my day!
And, nope. Edward would’ve come back. I believe him when he told Bella that he would have come back within six months. You should read the extras for New Moon on Stephenie’s site. It explained a lot bout that.
And, Jake makes me mad. Sorry, but I hate him all through this book. And the first third of the next one. And the last quarter of New Moon. And kinda the last part of Breaking Dawn. But, the rest of the time, I like him. Sometimes.
Oh, I liked Eddy’s name too. Thought that was purty sweet.
Anywhos, happy reading!
If you recall, Edward mentioned in the end of New Moon that he was about to come back anyway and beg Bella to take him back (I literally just lent out my copy today so I can’t give a page number, sorry!). I think that he truly does love her, so he would have come back, and obviously Bella would have taken him back. I really don’t think Bella not jumping off the cliff would have made things much different, it just speeded up Edward’s return. Besides, I don’t think she would end up with Jacob, the whole time she was with him in NM she was torn. But that’s just my opinion. 🙂
Ok….lets remember what was happening right before Edward called Bella’s house and Jacob informed him that Charlie was indeed not home but at the funeral. Bella was about to give into him and kiss him and decide to just be with him broken and all.
So lets say for the sake of argument that Alice didn’t have her vision and return to Forks to see if Bella had indeed killed herself, then Edward would have indeed taken awhile longer to return and check on Bella. Bella would have given in to Jacobs advances and try to be with him to make him happy and perhaps eventually herself, and when Edward did return all hell would have broken lose. As Edward said he would have climbed through the window and begged Bella to take him back which she would have leaving Jacob in the cold and thus probably igniting the fight between the Quiellutes and the Cullens and thus breaking the Treaty. Well so this is what I think would have happened lol.
W-o-w. This was only posted yesterday….And there’s like 90+ comments.. ^_^
OK. 5 things:
1.) “…he is the one who will suddenly rip his clothing to shreds and turn into a big hairy wolf.”
Well, yeah. Exactly what I was thinking. He is one himself. He keeps thinking he’s safer, though.
2.) LOL. That olympic dog thing was funny.=D
And the chart thing too w/ what jacob calls the cullens.
3.) “..and he doesn’t even know it.”
Yeah, why is Mike always brought up? It’s always hilarious whenever he get’s mentioned.
4.) Well, it’s true. One decision can alter a lot of things.That’s the ripple effect. haha..
5.) To finish it off and to answer the question, actually, I don’t think she’d be with jacob. Maybe, but no. I never really thought Bella could really recover anyway.
Temporarily happy on a weak level, but fragile.
Edward did say he was going to come back soon and that “It was only a matter of time”, right? I always wondered what would happen when Edward came back of his own accord, not when Bella would have to save him and come herself to see him. Because then, Bella would believe sooner that Edward really loved her, and that he couldn’t bear living without her.
** olympic wolf (i put dog for some reason)
to those who have said this, i agree. even if bella hadn’t jumped off the cliff, she still would have been miserable and still want edward. edward would have come back and found her unhappy and they would go back to each other. if bella had chosen jake, edward would’ve come back to see her happy and let her be. but as we all know, they’re soul mates and they can’t live without each other. no matter what, they would’ve ended up together .. as it happens.
and yeah the olympic peninsula thing, that’s where they live. sorry if someone said that one already. there’s so many comments!
I do think Bella’s life would be different if she hadn’t jumped off the cliff. It would probably take a while but she’d heal, and Jacob would be there for her. Yeah, Jacob was right. The only thing that would change that would be if Edward came back even though he said he’d stay away. Then Bella would drop Jacob and go back with him. Not fair to Jake…
And what a coincidence! May 17 is my birthday! 😀