Reading Eclipse: Chapter 21 (Trails)

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1. To your question for the comments…

   I think, for some odd reason, that the werewolves WOULD still ally with the vampires…. call it a hunch, I suppose…
   ;]

2. I have to agree with Beckie…. But of course I’m sure, like myself, Beckie has already read all the books….lol

3. I think they WOULD work together, but as little as possible.

   But then, this would be if the story went a way in other than the way I know it does, having obsessively pored over those thick books for hours.

   Also, a midnight post? Do you sleep at all, Kaleb?

4. sneaky.

5. Even aside from the hints of things to come – Of course the wolves would ally with the vampires if Jacob was the alpha. He was the one that wanted in at the graduation party, and had to go convince Sam. And he’s all about protecting Bella.

6. Sorry, this is going to be another long comment =/

   “Does she absolutely detest his slightly manipulative ways?” – Slightly? Slightly? Try EXTREMELY HARDCORE AWFUL manipulative ways. Jacob just drives me INSANE in this book. Arghh…

   “Bella: NO NO NO! Alice: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE! Bella: UGH UGH UGH! Alice: YES YES YES!” – Hahahahahaha! That made me laugh really hard for some reason. Maybe it’s because it’s after one in the morning, and I’m on a slight caffeine buzz

   “I really enjoy the fact that Edward and Bella can be apart and yet together at the same time.” – That’s the beauty of their relationship. It goes so deep. It’s why I’ve never understood those extreme Jacob supporters who believe that Edward is pure evil and Jacob is the pinnacle of goodness. How can you deny the connection Edward and Bella have?

   And random comments:

   1) Alice is always right, even when she screws up

   2) That’s the perfect description of Jacob (Look over there, a cliff. Jump off it…Yep, you love me, la de da)

   3) Nice Han Solo comparison!

   4) You’re reading Fire and Ice next!!! That is one of the most epic chapters of the whole series. I’m so excited for your comments on it.

   I can’t really answer the question for the comments. And I did try saying it ten times fast…I got to about four before I flubbed it all.

7. aaw beckie… thats cheating! but we wont tell Kaleb all that happens… will we.

   any ways

   i said it ten times fast
   mwahahaha
   (im an extremely fast talker and that asnt such a hard sentence!)

8. AH!!! the next chapter is my favorite in this book Dx hurry up and read it!

9. Yeay for next chapter review!

   Stop wondering whether you loathe Jacob or not. Of course you do! Hahah. I agree with Heather, even though you’re on a caffeine buzz, I still agree [:

   If Jacob was the alpha of the group, well. I’d probably say that yes, they would still worked with the vampires. But just to kill some newborn vampires. It runs in their nature to kill vampires. 😀

10. Oh yeah, and whoa to your name mentioned in the book!

11. Hehehe, interesting question. Hope Jacob wouldn’t do anything silly with the Alpha power… 😀

    And I think that Jacob is reading signs from Bella, because she still wants him around!
    And also, I was so sad that they didn’t have Emmett as priet! 🙁 That would have been so funny!!

    “..planning a possible party..” x10. Not that hard! 😛

12. Have you seen Bailey’s declaration of YouTube war against you? 😀

    Anyway, I say the pack would still work with the vampires considering that La Push might be in danger and Jacob won’t let anything hurt Bella.

    You just don’t say ‘NO’ no Alice. You just don’t. You’ll end up teared to shreds and burnt before you can do that. LOL.

    Chapter 22 ish going to be an interesting chapter while Chapter 23 is going to be a definite shocker. Have fun…. 😀

13. Stolen, yes! I can play that on guitar. Granted, it’s ridiculously easy, but that doesn’t make me feel any less awesome. 😉

    I have a criticism to make. Yes, it’s little, but I’m eternally annoyed by the all too common usage of words such as ‘anyhow/s,’ ‘anywho/s,’ and ‘anyways’. They all mean ‘anyway’! Except they’re not real words. I hate it when people purposely use made up words. So ends my rant.

    As for your question: I think they definitely would have still worked with the vampires. Though it’s likely Jake would’ve tried to work in some conditions. Involving Bella and possibly his lips? *shudders* Silly, immature Beta. 😀

14. Oh my goodness! Thank you, Heather, for reminding me. You’re reading Fire and Ice next! Love it. Definitely Eclipse’s best chapter. So hurry up and read it.

15. Rawr, Fire and Ice is NOT one of the best chapters, contrary to what people here are saying. Grr. But, hey, let’s let King Kaleb form his own opinion. (OTNC FTW!)

    I’m not sure if the pack would be different with Jacob as the alpha. I think they probably would, as Jacob loves Bella and wouldn’t want to take any risk of getting her killed (although he would prefer that he didn’t have to work with vampires and wishes he could kill them off with the evil ones). But, hey, what do you expect from a flea-ridden mongrel?

    On another note: OTNC FTW!

16. Your questions…hehehe.

17. Why the Jacob hate? I’m wearing my Team Jacob shirt right now, actually. People just don’t try to see things from his point of view. Edward and Jacob are in the exact same situation, except Bella loves Edward more and they go about trying to win Bella in different ways. Wait until Breaking Dawn, you’ll understand why Jacob is like that. Really, he’s not annoying.

18. I think the pack would change slightly, although Sam and Jacob still have the same ideas for the pack. Jake would try to work with the vampires a bit more, to try and keep Bella happy, and there would be more protection from the werewolves for Bella. Sam just tolerates the vampires because of the treaty, but Jake knows that any conflict between the vampires and the wolves would hurt Bella.

19. I agree with kassia.
    Besides the fact that I find the conversations between Jacob and Bella hilarious and they slightly remind me of conversations with my own best friend [although it usually ends in her acting violent], he’s more closer to human. Edward’s a cool guy, no doubt! And I believe Bella belongs to him. But he’s obviously “older than his age” so relating to Jacob’s just easier.

    And if Jacob were the Alpha from the beginning already, then he totally would’ve worked with the vamps. I mean, if he were to attack Edward and the rest of the Cullens, which beloved human do you think would stand in his way? haha
    He’d have no choice.

20. Oh, and that’s pretty cool you got mentioned in that book dude!

21. OH OH OH! You are so–xDDDDD

    Are you SURE you haven’t read Breaking–OH EM GEEE.

    *snicker*

    Alpha is a big word, Mr. Kaleb…

22. The two things that hit me in this chapter are
    1. How easily Edward could deal with the fact that Bella had cut her hand open and was leaving a blood trail all over the place.
    2. How Bella didn’t realize she was wearing a huge diamond until Jacob told her. I didn’t realize it, either. I have to wonder if they really came from his mother, though I don’t think he would lie to Bella. I guess his family was pretty well off back in the day.

    Yes, I always thought that the only reason that the werewolfs and vamps worked together on this in the first place was because of Jacob showing up at the graduation party. Otherwise, the pack never would have known what was going on. The fact that Jacob had decided so readily that they would fight also tells me that even as an Alpha he would have been ready to go. Their dedication as protectors goes above and beyond his feelings for Bella. I’m sure that’s his main driving point, aside from getting to kill any vamps at all, but I think it’s protecting all the humans from so many vampires being around that is driving the rest of them.

    I love when Bella calls him the Beta… so cute.

    Cool with the book mention!

    Also, I could say it ten times fast as well.

    Can’t wait for the next two chapters!

23. Well I am thrilled that you have finally finished chapter 21, because that means you are now on CHAPTER 22!!!!!!!!!!!! You may even be reading it right this moment….but probably not:) Well here it comes, Kaleb, the best chapter in the whole Twilight Saga. And chapter 23 is the second best! Your feelings toward Jacob are why there is a Team Edward, and the next 2 chapters will really either soildify your annoyance of him, or will change your mind completely. I’ll be very interested in your thoughts! Love you Kaleb; I’m so glad you’re back!!!!!

24. yeah

25. I think they still would have helped if Jake was the alpha because its protecting Bella.

26. Haha! I can’t wait for chapter 23 (?). All the Jacob understanding will go away. I threw my book across the room when I got to that point.

27. I think that if Jacob were the Alpha, he would work with the Cullens for two reasons:
    1) To protect Bella
    2) To kill the newborns

28. I think part of what always annoyed me so much about Jacob is the fact that I actually know a guy like that, & at times when I read it felt as though he & I could’ve easily been Jacob & Bella, just on a slightly smaller scale.

29. “I don’t understand. I really do not. It is not that I have anything against Jacob. I just don’t understand how he can constantly act immature and mean and yet still be convinced that Bella secretly adores him.”

    okay I´m sorry but I really diasagree with you this time. because jacob isn´t half as convinced as you think he is. he definitely has his doubts, I wouldn´t go so far as to say he loves bella as much as edward, but he loves her as much as a human can love another human(I don´t watn to spoil anything but i really think you will understand him better when you read breaking dawn). And if you would really love a girl and think she´s about to make the biggest mistake of her life, which is probably going to kill her( because he doesn´t trust edward enough as to think he won´t kill her while trying to change her into a vampire) wouldn´t you try to prevent her from said mistake?
    And though bella says she doesn´t love him she wants him around and is thus encouraging him. Everybody only sees the bond between bella and edward(which is indeed stronger than the one between bella and jacob) but they don´t get that jacob and bella aren´t just friends. Jacob helped bella through the very worst time of her live and almmost saved her from insanity so that had to leave something. i really think what is motivating jacob is that he think he´s going to loose bella if he lets edward win. he knows it´s a long shot but he still trys to cinvince her to live a normal life(of which i don´t think bella is capable of;) ).
    okay end of defending jacob^^
    i look forward to you reading chapter 22. i don´t think it´s the best of the whole twilight-saga but it definitely has something and you will understand both edward and jacob better–> have fun^^

    king kaleb *lol* =)=)

    congratulations for being mentioned in the book!

    oh and sorry for the long post and my bad english, i hope it´s understandable xD

30. oh and for jacob acting immature: well after all he is only 16 years old^^

31. ugh. already found a few mistakes myself… well, i was afraid my lap-top would crash(again) because that´s what it´s usually does when i wrote a log text and am about to press send 😉

32. Just had to comment again for the sake of this Jacob thing. This is basically the same discussion we drew out on the last chapter.

    First, I think we all understand completely how Jacob feels about Bella and why he acts the way he does. Being Team Edward doesn’t automatically post a super hatred for Jacob. I like Jacob, even though I find him annoying. I do not like him with Bella.

    You have to put yourself into this situation. You have a best friend who’s in love with someone you hate. Your bestie tells you time and time again that she loves you as a best friend, but that she doesn’t want to be with you. You continue to push the issue every time you see her…

    Sometimes you just have to decide if you love someone enough to stay their best friend, or if you love them too much to handle the pain of watching them with someone else. For all purposes of his sanity, Jacob should have just made a clean break by now. In the end, I don’t think it has anything to do with worrying that Edward will kill her, because he’s convinced that once she’s a vampire, she’ll be dead to him anyway. However, it is a good excuse to keep berating her. He’s so stuck on proving to her that she loves him. She already knows that she loves Jacob, just not enough. It was just like the Romeo comparison. She knows that Jacob is second place, and so does he. The fact that you would keep fighting for someone, knowing that you are fall back guy, is so pathetic that it verges on insanity.

    Also, and I’m not the first to bring this up, you cannot proclaim your love of Jacob by means that he is an immature teenager. Bella is only a teenager, and no one doubts her love or commitment. Yes, I know that her Mother said she was born thirty five and all that, but she still has her stubborn teenage moments which prove otherwise. The thing is, the times that she acts out are few and far between compared to the way Jacob acts.

    He hides behind the fact of his age to get away with all the crap he pulls, but then he wants to pretend he’s a grown-up when it comes to his feelings of love.

    I don’t understand how anyone rides down the fence on this, AKA Team Switzerland. I can understand liking both characters, which I do, but in the end, only one can end up with Bella. That’s what the “team” thing is all about. In the end, I want Bella and Edward happy together. It doesn’t mean that I want Jacob miserable, but really, he’s still got plenty of time to imprint on someone. If you love her so much, just let her go.

    Also, I did see Bailey’s You Tube video. I think it’s hilarious! Now this is a time that I have to Team Switzerland. I love both Kaleb and Bailey! Pretty impressive that she’s got Mike in her corner, though. LoL

    Maybe I’ll just have to go Team Jaden on this one. He’s my Switzerland.

33. I think that the wolves would still ally with the vampires. Jacob isn’t stupid, he knows its the right thing. The fact that Bella is tangled up in the mix is what would mainly make him agree to such an alliance.

    But then again, I’ve finished the series so my opinion might have something to do with that. hehehe 😛

    I have a feeling that when you read Breaking Dawn, you’ll love Jacob, Kaleb! My friend was a huge team Edward supporter until she read BD, now she turns all of her friends into team Jacob people! Its crazy! I liked Edward through the whole series and I loved Jacob through the whole series. But once BD came out and I read it, I began to hate Edward and loved Jake even more! Sorry if the wheels in your head have started to turn now, Kaleb, but I had to hint at the feelings that some people-including myself- have felt towards the hero known as Edward Cullen!

34. Glad you’re back. Love your post!! I’m excited that you are mentioned in the book – you are making quite an impact on the guy world with your site…

    If Jake had been alpha, they still would align themselves with the vamps. But, things always happen for a reason…you shall see.

    On to chapter 22 ‘Fire and Ice’ – truly one of the best chapters in the book, because you get a glimpse into the Edward/Jacob dynamic.

    Read, Kaleb, read!!

35. I actually said “planning a possible party” 10 times really fast without messing up! =P Anyways, one thing I hate about Bella is that she doesn’t really take marriage seriously. Atleast it seems that way. She always misses out on big events in her life. She is just so into becoming a vampire, that she could careless about anything else, and I just can’t stand that!
    I’m really not sure what would happen if jake was the Alpha at this pont right now. I don’t think he’ll force others to do stuf like Sam does. They all have no choice but to follow his orders.
    At this pint I do, in a way, think that both the vampires and werewolves would have still worked together just to protect Bella. Jacob “loves” Bella, so I do think he would give his all to keep her safe too.

36. O, and I voted your site for best twilight site! You are absolutly amazing!!!!

37. okay so I’m gonna go out on a limb and disagree with pretty much comment I’ve read on here.

    Although I don’t think it would be entirely impossible for them to work together, I also do not believe that it would be very likely for it to work out that way.

    If Jacob was the Alpha then he could have decided to attack the vampires and no one could protest his orders. Although he does care about Bella he tends to not think things completely through before doing them. He would be more likely to forget about how much it would hurt Bella and attack all the vampires anyway.

    He already has issues controlling his anger and phasing while Sam is the Alpha and I’m sure Sam was probably ordering him to let it be. But if he were the true Alpha no one could order him. On the contrary….he could order everyone else to do his bidding.

    While I don’t hate Jacob–I actually like him because he reminds me of my own literal Jacob–he has enough hatred toward Edward and the “bloodsuckers” to actually refuse to ally and let them die or to attack them himself.

    This is just my opinion although as I stated before I don’t that the chances of them becoming allies would be an altogether obsolete idea…..it would just be very unlikely.

38. ok so I think that if Jacob were the Alpha then he would REALLY try to go after Bella. Like Sam was probably making him stay on their territory and not violate the treaty but he would probably (just to piss off Edward and make him break the treaty) kidnap Bella and take her to La Push so Edward would have to break the treaty. He would probably do something like that because there would be no one ordering him around. And I think that the werewolves would still ally with the vampires because Jacob would want to keep Bella safe and in order to do that, they would have to team up with the vampires.

39. Hey 37(Bekah)! I spell my name the same way! (sorry just no one spells it this way anymore….) Anyhoo way to go KAH people and down with the CCA!
    (Rebekah
    Rebecca)

40. If Jacob was Alpha? Oh my, I’m just not even going to go there. End of story. *pfffft*

    And you should get used to seeing your name in print: especially because you will have YOUR OWN BOOK soon!

    ABSOLUTLY cannot WAIT for the next chapter!! Eeeeek!

41. And to hakeber_Evol:
    in my school we have three girls with the same name one goes by Rebekah, one by Becca, and i go by Becky. its kinda funny.

42. I think Jacob would still work with the vampires if he were Alpha because he would do absolutely anything to make sure that Bella stays safe– that’s where the similarities between him and Edward start and end.

    I agree with becky sue– You’re going to be a world famous author one day, get used to the publicity!

43. Hmm…is there a way to answer you’re question WITHOUT giving away what happens…? I don’t think so (even though everyone else probably already has given it away) But anyway…congrats on the book mention! And I can’t wait till you get to the next chapter!!! Fire and Ice is definately the most epic, awesome chapter in the whole series! And you’re probably gonna be like everyone else and immediately be Team Edward, I’m still TEAM JACOB 100%!!!

    Being a teenage girl who has to deal with annoying boys 24/7, I’ve gotten use to there annoyingness and have given up on being bothered by their stupid games. If you take the teenage antics away from Jacob, I think he’d be the best for Bellain the long run.

44. I think if Jacob was the Alpha, werewolves will fight with the vampires againts the new-borns, because it is to bella’s procttecion, but i’m sure that he will began a war very soon because he just don’t care about bella’s feeling. If he think that he can make Edward stay away from Bella, he will try everthing he can to do that. It doesn’t matter what bella want.

    And that is one of the reasons why Edward deserve to be with Bella, because what make her happy is the most important thing to him.

    And i agree with you, Bella don’t want a big wedding now, but later she going to regret, so Alice have right, like always.

45. i mean we ‘know’ Alice, and Alice always win, right?

    And Bella ca´’t feel guilty about anything, Alice will use that, i am sure, so i am almost sure that Bella will have a big wedding,doesn’t matter if she want our not.

    Congratulations for your name be mencioned on the book, but i agree with beck sue, you have to get used to

46. Yep they’d work together… in my mind, Jacob is the only reason that they ever work together. He’s not so bad, a little immature, but seriously, what do you expect, he’s still a kid. Edward has such an advantage because of his age. I like Jake’s spunk, never giving up, at the same time there are moments that I’d like to slap some sense into that boy.

47. Kaleb, you of all readers should know why Jake is acting like that. He’s being a teenage boy! And he’s in love. Or at least, he *thinks* he’s in love. He loves Bella, so in his mind, she must love him. Plus, he honestly can not imagine anyone actually loving a vampire.

    to answer your other question: hmm… well… I think that because it’s a matter of keeping Bella safe, Jake (if he were Alpha) would work with the vampires. He wouldn’t like it, but he would do it 😉

    HURRY UP AND READ THE NEXT CHAPTER! In infamous Tent Scene, finally you get to it.

48. @ 39, hakeber_Evol:
    🙁 what about the Rebeka-with no-H’s of the world?
    way to leave us out, gosh. lol

49. You should be more careful with your questions, Kaleb. Some of these could get you spoilered.

    And about “planning a possible party” x10:
    Pah, childsplay. Try “Two teatree toner tabs” (I get them from Lush, they do miracles to your skin, btw)

50. Kaleb were you reading? It was Jacob’s idea in the first place to help the Cullens fight the newborns to protect Bella. Besides they need to protect the tribe is well and the town so they dont unless a massacre. So if he was or wasnt they were going to help the Cullens. Jacob went and told Sam what the problem was and they decided to help. So hell yes he’d help since essentially it was still his idea Alpha or not! 😛