The song for this chapter is Stolen by Dashboard Confessional
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During my glorious and much-needed break from blogging, it was brought to my attention that I was mentioned somewhere I had never, ever expected to be. One of my readers emailed and said she had been reading Robert Pattinson: Eternally Yours
I can’t even begin to tell you what a surprise this was! I’m still in shock that I was mentioned in an actual book like that 😀
Anyhows, I managed to make time stop so I could read another chapter of Eclipse today! Where I left off, there were some obvious Jacob/Bella problems going on. Does she love him? Does she not? Does she absolutely detest his slightly manipulative ways? I shall find out…
Bella’s vision of a perfect wedding is very fitting for what she wants: anything human to be over as quickly as possible.She hardly enjoys any sort of celebration, even her own graduation and birthdays, and being wed carries so much weight in her mind she seems to want it over and done with As Soon As Humanly Possible. Obviously, this is not what she has in mind:
Rather, her dream wedding is more like this:
Alice however, has quite a different set of plans for her human-equivalent-of-a-sister. I had little doubt that Alice would somehow find a way to talk Bella out of the drive-thru wedding option, which she does in record time:
Bella: NO NO NO!
Alice: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!
Bella: UGH UGH UGH!
Alice: YES YES YES!
Never try to change Alice’s mind when it comes to planning a possible party* 😀
Bella sets off on her serious mission of misleading the rabid newborns with her scent, which seems as intoxicating as a human scent can get. As she and Edward are making their smelly paths through the woods, their conversation is entirely amusing yet again. I don’t know if anyone else noticed, or if I’m pulling things completely out of the air, but I really enjoy the fact that Edward and Bella can be apart and yet together at the same time. It’s as if they’re walking seperately from each other, but in a way they’re still close: this never ending conversation that dominates everything. As if I haven’t pointed it out enough in the course of reading, it’s such an integral part of their relationship: even when Edward isn’t exactly holding her hand, in a way he’s still there next to her.
I like it how Edward is open to whatever type of wedding Bella prefers, but I have to say I’m with Alice on this one. Really, Bella might want the fastest possible, speed-read wedding now, but about 254 years from now she might wish she had chosen otherwise. Not one to speak of how anyone feels when they’re older and wiser and 200+ years old, I still get the feeling that if she has the chance, why not make something memorable out of it? Anyone could easily skip Christmas, New Years and birthdays because they’re just too busy for such party nonsense, but eventually they might begin to regret what they missed out on. And besides, nobody in their right mind would pass up Emmett Cullen doing the job 😀
Then, exactly as I had mentioned in the previous chapter:
JACOB: “Sometimes I think you like me better as a wolf.”
BELLA: “It probably has something to do with the way you can’t talk.”
JACOB: “You’re so lulzy when you’re mad.”
My thoughts exactly — for though I have no deep loathing for Jacob the werewolf, I can completely feel how annoyed Bella is by his constant irritation of her. I don’t understand. I really do not. It is not that I have anything against Jacob. I just don’t understand how he can constantly act immature and mean and yet still be convinced that Bella secretly adores him. Perhaps I am too accustomed to Edward’s politeness, and Jacob’s ways seem to pale in comparison, because he is closer to being human (somewhat resembling Han Solo’s overly self-assertive personality). But really, how many times has something happened like this:
JACOB: “I know you love me.”
BELLA: “No, I hate your stinkin guts.”
JACOB: “Yeah, I knew it, you love me.”
BELLA: “Look over there, a cliff. Jump off it.”
JACOB: “Yep, you love me, la de da…”
Unless I am mistaken, or Forks is in Opposite-world, Bella is being quite clear, thank you very much.
To Jacob’s benefit, however, he does go along with the plan, and safely carried Bella to the cave, for which I’m sure Bella is grateful. It is so interesting that Jacob might have been the alpha of the werewolves: a bit of history I wasn’t expecting about him. So perhaps a bit of Jacob’s overconfidence comes from the blood of a leader running through him? Readers of my site might find it interesting that part of my family history includes a chief, way back in the Choctaw nation (at least, this is how the family’s story goes…). Maybe Jake and I have more in common than I would like to think… 😀
Question for the comments: What do you think would have happened if Jake was the alpha of the group? Do you think the werewolves would have still worked with the vampires?
——NOTES——
– NEW Twilight Youtube Contest Of Awesome! I’m posting about it TOMORROW (you can see it on my Youtube now if you want).
– Bailey (nomoremarbles) has started a brand-new store with tons of great Twilight shirts! All the proceeds from the store go to benefit her son Dominic’s therapy for autism. Check it out here (there’s a bunch of great stuff!).
– Popstar is having a poll for your favorite Twilight fansites. Since, ahem, my site isn’t actually a fansite, I don’t expect to be on that list. So, perhaps go throw in a vote for the awesome people at HisGoldenEyes and The Twilight Lexicon 😀
-A large group of Twilighters have started a group called Team Shari, to benefit a TwilightMOM who has been diagnosed with a brain tumor. If you’d like to help or participate in their auctions, check out their website
– HisGoldenEyes just got a Twitter, and they’ll be updating their followers with the latest in Twilight news! As you all know, it is so easy to update a Twitter, even from a phone, that most news is sent out on there before everywhere else: so if you follow them, you’ll get the latest as it happens (I do the same stuff with my Twitter page).
*side note: say that 10 times fast: planning a possible party. muhaha.
107 Responses
Totally.
If it was over Bella, or about her safety, he’s somewhat like Edward.
Number 1 Rule: Keep Bella safe.
I think that he’d do what he’s doing now – dealing with his problems while hoping that something better might come out of it for him (like, idk, Bella running away from Edward, screaming – he he, sound familar? – and straight into his arms?)
He’s pretty hopeful about his situation.
And that’s where he gets cocky and annoying, and that’s where I start to not like him anymore.
But, it’s the truth.
ilua!
PS
As most likely stated above, your question will be more fully answered later.
Kaleb, I think you’re a bit more psychic than you realize… I shan’t saw more than that.
yeah i think they would because its still for the Bella’s saftey and just a hunc similar to the others who have read all the books…. 😉
I don’t think I’m the only one who can’t answer that question, Kaleb…
ohhh kaleb. haven’t you ever met someone that can make you angrier than you’ve ever been, but that you would lay down in traffic for? someone who gets under your skin BOTH ways? and if you have such strong negative feelings, doesn’t it make sense that you could swing way back in the other direction as well?
if you haven’t, i suggest you try finding someone like that. it’s something to experience.
im sure the werewolves and vampires would work out even if Jake was the Alapha……..mybe i can just see the furture like Alice =)
I actually found out about you, Kaleb, through the Robert Pattinson Eternally Yours book. I was reading it and I was like that sounds like a cool website, so I went on and now I go on every day! So i am really happy that they mentioned you in there! And its really cool that they put you in there!
Anyways, for the question for the comments, I think they would still work with the vampires becaue it is still for Bella’s safety either way.
You’re a very good thinker, Kaleb. thats all I’ll say.
As for Jacob’s behavior: he has no excuse. its childish and rude of him to act like that. especially when he violently kisses bella without her permission. that could be considered harrasment! Edward, even though he is dying to kill her inside, would never lay a hand on her if she did not allow it. But kudos to Bella for not leading him on – at least not currently.
I’m not sure why Bella wants to be a vampire so badly. In no way is she held back from Edward as a human. Its not as if they can’t be together when they’re human. But at the same time, she may feel that edward will stop taking all those “precautions” once she is one of them. Also, she may be thinking of him. The sooner she turns into a vampire, the less pain Edward goes through to be with her. Although the book doesn’t let on that she feels so, she might feel bad for making him suffer as a result of being with her.
Oh yes, I remember reading that bit about you in the Rob Pattinsion book… I don’r like Rob. Haha
Regarding the question of the day… Yes, I think that if Jake was the alpha, it would make it even more likely that they would side with the vampires. Bella’s safety, and all.
Okay. This question is killing me…
D:
lol.
But I definately think that the vampires and werewolves would still work together if Jake was the Alpha. Jake still loves Bella, no matter what rank he is, so he is going to try and protect her no matter what the cost. Even if it means teaming up with the vampires. 🙂
I love it, keep reading.
I can’t wait to be reading when you finish Eclipse and start Breaking Dawn.
🙂
Oh, hmm… I do think bella is quiet clear on a lot of things… and then Edward is very vague on somethings… and that Jacob just likes distorting everything else. XD
I like Jacob, sometimes more than Edward, and defiantely more than Bella…
I think if he was the Alpha of the wolves, I dont think they would have. In case you havent noticed (although I am sure you have…), Jacob hates Edward, but loves Bella as best as he can. And the fact that Jacob wants Bella for himself… he would risk getting Edward killed to do it, even though he has seen how much Edward and Bella like being in the others company.
It just gives you a load to think about… like how Jacob just needs to suck it up sometimes and not let his prejudice to get away with him.
Oh, and a little thing about the next chapter… its one of my favorites, so I hope you cant wait to read it!
Hmm…. Not sure about the comment question (lol)
Please hurry up with the next chapter. It’s my absolute favorite!!!! Me and my friend even have an (imaginary) band called Fire and Ice because of it!!!!!!!!!
Another great post – need some humorous relief after a weekend of severe bushfires in Melbourne area (where I live) which took the lives of over 170 people. Just want to post a thought for all those who lost loved ones, houses and belongings.
Onto brighter things – like so many others here, the next chapter is my favourite of this book and possibly of the series…
If Jacob was alpha, he would still eventually align with the vampires anyway. Especially when the danger is not actually coming from the Cullens – he would do what’s necessary to protect his clan.
Loved the Han Solo comparison by the way.
i don’t think jacob is overconfident. i think he puts on this jerky, overconfident facade to cover up the fact that he’s actually not confident at all and absolutely terrified of losing bella. i’m not saying his is the best way of dealing with those feelings, but it is what it is. it’s jacob.
Yaaaaaay! Thank you, Kaleb, for a post about a chapter! Yay! I’m actually mad at my email/Blackberry for not sending me the alert that a new post was up. Dammit. But I digress…
I love this chapter. And yes, Jacob annoys the bejesus out of me sometimes, although I’m no Jacob hater.
Right about now, Edward is gonna start getting on my nerves too. You’ll see why.
To answer your question: I do believe that if Jacob were the leader of the pack, they would still find a loophole in the treaty and ally themselves with the “bloodsuckers”. Perhaps Jacob wouldn’t have the maturity at that point to realize the urgency of such action, but protecting Bella would make him do it, regardless.
See, Kaleb, I’m not a twilightguy hater! You made my cold little heart all warm and fuzzy again! Haha!
Have a great week! 🙂
okay so I committed a big time no no on my last comment. (Sorry about the toddler speak. I have a young child lol). I commented and I guess I sorta left out other aforementioned elements in the book that had a bearing on the whole vampire werewolf ally thing.
So I do believe that the pack would form an alliance with the Cullens even if Jake was the Alpha at the time. However, they would not be as in sync with one another or work so closely together even though they are indeedworking toward the same goal which is to protect Bella.
I agree with Kaleb on what he said about how even when Bella and Edward are together they are apart. They are so thoroughly on the same brain wave that it’s unbelievable. Not many people actually have that type of relationship so when you see it manifest itself it is truly beautiful.
Number 28…Janelle I think was the name. I know what you mean. I ahve a best friend who acts completely like Jacob even down to the point that he says some of the things to me that Jacob would say to Bella. It kinda freaked me out first and I had to explain to him why. He had never heard of Twilight before. Unacceptable! His name is even Jacob too lol. He calls me his Bella now. Weirdo.
And Number 39 Rebekah….right on. Rebekahs and Rebeccas and Rebekas of the world unite! lol
Sorry about that. Just had to sneak that in there. I also wanted to add though, on a little tangent, that I think that girls who read Twilight are not so much in love with Edward Cullen himself but with the idea of a guy who has that kind of dignity, respect, and class. And that’s just the revised and abridged list lol.
While I do like both Edward and Jacob I can’t help but agree that Edward is better for Bella in so many ways and on so many levels. But then again….isn’t that the way that Stephenie intended things to be?
So I’m done now…..sorry I ranted so long. What can I say? I’m a twenty year old girl who has no one to talk to all day but her infant daughter. You would ramble and rant too. haha
oh and I also loved the Han Solo comparison…..I’m a big time Star Wars geek. I know way more than anyone–especially a girl–should ever know about Star Wars haha.
Oh and PS: great song choice for this chapter! I was gonna suggest “These Bones” by Dashboard for the next chapter, but nevermind…
PPS: Bekah (from comment above) – loved your comment. Yes, indeed, the world needs more Edwards. The world could definitely use more Cullens period.
i honestly dont know if he would be as willing as sam to work with them. maybe if sam talked to him about it…then yeah.
but OMG i totally agree with you! its like wth jacob?! leave her alone! she said no! lol…geez
If Jake was the alpha…oh dear. That would be chaos. Haha 🙂 He would probably still work with the vampires, but only to protect Bella. Anyhoo…about Jacob’s attitude towards Bella, I agree. He is a lot less gentle than Edward. He really got on my nerves in this book. Oh well. I still love him to peices 🙂
38.Kari…
Jacob did kidnap Bella once and take her to LaPush. When he rode up to the school on his motorcycle. Edward was out of town hunting. Still, Edward did not break the treaty to go after her.
The Cullens and the werewolves both respect the treaty set in place. It’s not just about Edward and Jacob. If someone breaks the treaty, it means war. Both sides will lose people that they care about.
“Rawr, Fire and Ice is NOT one of the best chapters, contrary to what people here are saying.”
YUuup, It is NOT the best chapter. But thats just my opinion ^^ I may be biased; I don’t like the third book in general.
Like someone mentioned before, it was Jacob’s idea in the first place for the pack to work with the Cullen’s when he found out about the newborns. So, I think alpha or not, that would be his first priority.
I’m not sure how anyone could be persuaded to not like Edward after reading Breaking Dawn like a few people have said happened to them. I don’t want to spoiler anything but I think his willingness to sacrifice everything throughout the whole series for Bella (not fighting with his family and waiting with Bella at the camp site is a good example) makes it impossible to not appreciate his love for her. Of course BD helps explain a lot about Jacob, I can’t see how it would make you like Edward any less. That’s just my opinion though.
Anyway, glad you’re back from your break! Hope you enjoyed it! Can’t wait for you to move on to the next chapter!
YES!!
ur reading ..Fire And Ice next..and then from this chapter till the very end..GOD i totally love the book from here..!!!
🙂
I’ve got to say I agree with most of what you’re saying in fact just not on all your details about Jacob. You’ll see why in the later book.
Ummm…I totally agree with you on the relationship about Edward and Bella and how they can be apart yet together. It’s so cute and it shows the honesty I think in their relationship like what’s underneath.
As for the questions, I think that the werewolves would still side with the vampire becuase of the treaty in a way. They have to protect humans and Bella is a human so they must do tat even though it means to side with vampires. I think the group would possible be different if Jacob was the alpha. Some of the decisions would be made differently.
#29-31 Sylvie
Yes he was pretty much very convinced that Bella loved him. And that Bella would choose him instead of Edward. And no, don’t use the age 16 as a reason for him to behave so. It’s just highly ridiculous.
#32 Michelle
I love you. Truly, I do. You just make sense.
#33 Shelby
Hating Jacob would still be okay. But hating Edward? MYGOD. *Gawks*
#43 Dara E!
Edward is not playing a stupid game.
this is my first comment, though I’ve been reading you for a while, now. but, I wanted to say that the next chapter is my favorite! and I can’t wait to read what you think about it
and, I too agree that the wolfs would have fought with the vampires, if Jake were the Alpha. after all, weren’t Edward and Jake the first to rearrange the treaty? in chapter 10, if I remember correctly…
and, even though Jake can be a bit annoying (ok, a lot) in this book, his feelings are true, so, it’s not THAT bad…
(and sorry for my english… I’m working on it…)
I love jake maybe because he is so very human and i have read all the books so i know how more complicated things get and how they get resolved but i want so badly to hear your take on everything that happens from this point onwards.
I have to say this is my first time reading u i have watch your youtube vids and i joined twitter because of you but I have come to somewhat Idolize you lol just wanted to say thanks you make my days at work so much more bearable
I think yes, they would hae worked with them, and more readily too. But future complications could make the pack more ready to turn and attack
there is a little thing I caught in your post….Jacob takes Bella to a cliff not a cave :p
Hmmm….if Jacob was alpha…..I WONDER what would happen.
I think that the wolves would work with the vamps, only to protect their family and friends though :p :p
Also I can wait to see your thoughts on the next chapter, which is “Fire and Ice”…right? It’s probably one of my favourite chapters out of Eclipse, which is my favourite book!
If Jacob were the alpha I do believe the werewolves would still work with the Cullens.
;]
Hm.. I think Jacob would still work with the cullens…He’s WAY too obsessed with Bella >_>
..and which werewolf doesn’t like tearing vampires apart 😉
I think Jacob would still work with the vampires. I mean they are conspiring to kill Bella. He is not going to let them kill her. He would probably stand alone against 400 vamps for her. If he was alpha some things in the future would never caused any trouble……. 🙂
‘don’t understand how anyone rides down the fence on this, AKA Team Switzerland. I can understand liking both characters, which I do, but in the end, only one can end up with Bella.’ {from a comment above}
Why is everyone always ragging on team switzerland?!?!
I get that people hate us for not picking a team, we’re wimps, whatever, but seriously none of us, not even the 100% loyal Team JAke fans would have said before BD that they honestly thought Bella was not going to end up with edward, of course she was going to end up with edward, everyone deep down wants her to end up with edward, that is THE relationship of the series!!!
team switzerland is not blind to this, we knew she was going to end up with edward, we love edward, we wanted her to be with him, we just loved jake too, not necessisarily for bella or for us, but we love him just the same, we’re not trying to cop out on picking a side, or saying whose better we’re just saying we love them both.
end of story. Im so tired of people picking on my team (or non team or whatever you want to call it), I mean after BD isnt having teams pointless anyway? unless it just means which character we, personally like the most?
In the end at least for switzerland werent we the ones that got most fulfillment out of BD, both male characters got their happy ending right? they both won so to speak, not over bella but they won in the fact that they ended up with their greatest loves (or what will become their greatest love) and is that not the point of teams?
I am team switzerland. if you think thats a cop out thats ok, but all we did was choose to love both characters, because in the end it doesnt matter who we personally would have loved more, because they’re fictional characters.
I dont pick on team edward fans or team jacob fans, so dont pick on switzerland, we’re neutral, we never did anything to anyone!
ok Im done now.
melissaturkey 😀
oh and ps, if jacob was alpha they most definatly would be allies, and thats all Im saying.
I have this strange feeling that YES, they would still work together for some odd reason….I can’t say WHY I feel this way….weirdly enough, I seem to recall reading it in a BOOK of all places…. 🙂
Melissa (melissaturkey) you speak the truth! 🙂
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ur prizes are AMAZING!
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ok this comment is getting really long so luv ya u rock PEACE!
I think that the pack wouldn’t want to help, but in the end Jacob would decide to do it to save (or possibly impress) Bella. I can’t wait to hear what you have to say about the rest of the book!
Listen to Melissa, people! She is right! Even though all along, I’ve really wanted Bella to end up with Edward, I have NEVER at any point in the series hated Jacob. I’m Team Switzerland (with SLIGHT Team Edward leanings). Anyone who has been in Jacob’s position (coughcough ME!)(well, ya know, without all the vampires and werewolves and such) will find it impossible to hate him, even if they like Edward for Bella. Also, Alpha-Jacob would make them be allies, for Bella’s sake. And yes, I know that I’m rambling incoherently.
~Mags
Bella and Edward are perfect for each other. I also get very annoyed with Jacob because he is so manipulative. To answer your question: Yes I think they would still work with the Cullens because Jacob is still so persistent on showing Bella that she is in love with him he would do anything to keep her alive.
I love your sight and you!
Geesh, why don’t you take me completely out of context and bite my head off.
I never said that I hate Jacob. Not once, in any of my posts, have I ever said that I hate Jacob.
I also don’t recall ever saying that I thought the characters were real.
Oh well, at least Brad loves me 🙂
However, I do love that Stephenie’s writing is so good that it makes people have such strong feelings. Go Team Stephenie!
FAIL for Team King.
I think yes indeed, they would have work with the vampires… Just because Bella’s life is in on it, and Jacob really cares. (:
The fact that you just compared Jacob to Han Solo made my day.
not enough Star Wars love out there.
I kind of think that jacobs persistence with Bella has alot to do with his personal insecurities more than anything else, like maybe its easier for him to take the rejection if he thinks that she is just lying to herself…..thats what i thought when i was at this part of the book anyways. As for the actual question, they still would have been allies, because, as everyone mentioned above me, it is still all about Bella, and Jacob would not put her life in any more jepordy (i think i spelled that wrong, sorry!) simple for the sake of his pride. 🙂 congrats on all the subscriptions and on the mention in that book. Thats kind of awesome. 🙂
Fire and Ice is my favorite chapter in the whole series.
Nuff Said
Of course… i mean.. only because they are protecting bella.. but anyway…
But it will be impossible that Jake would be the alpha,… he doesn’t like much being a werewolf i think… he is getting used to it… but it doesn’t mean that he likes it…. hehe
… ciao… haha
Chapter 23 = the best chapter in the book!
Can’t wait to read what you have to say about it!
=)
Sorry, this is kinda bothering me:
and they’ll be updating their followers with the “LASTES” in Twilight news!
And if Jacob was the alpha, rather than Sam, I think they would help the vampires because Jake knows that Bella is in danger and he wants to protect her, even if she doesn’t want him.
HAVE A GOOD DAY!