The song for this chapter is All I Need by Within Temptation
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When a chapter in the Twilight Saga explicitly warns me ahead of time with the title “Too-Much-Information Alert” I can’t help but shudder. After all, if all the other Too-Much-Information scenes I have endured (namely: almost every scene on Isle Esme) were so light in comparison to one that actually needs a warning, what horrible, embarrassing thing lies ahead of me in the sixteenth chapter of Breaking Dawn?
It is nice to see that Leah is beginning to accept Jacob as the Alpha, because at first she appeared greatly against the idea and a bit forced into the new pack. But I have a feeling that all along, she was just doing it for a show of her own independence rather than really wanting to leave Jacob for someone else. It is one of those things about Jacob that I’ve come to realize — that you can’t really understand him on the surface, until you get to know him. I never understood him in the slightest until I got into his head. Similarly, Leah didn’t see him as a good leader until she was in his pack (and, quite literally, reading his thoughts just like us).
I’m also beginning to wonder if there are any romantic feelings from Leah for Jacob? I know she is still bitter about Sam imprinting on Emily. I get a feeling that she might be desperately searching for someone to fill the void that Sam left — even if not so much in a romantic way with Jacob, but just for someone to love her. It also seems that both she and Jacob are very much in the same position: both of them love someone who can never be theirs, who were never meant to be theirs, and are trying to fight against their feelings for what they know is best. If this was any normal romance novel, and Jacob wasn’t so sore over Bella, I would suspect something blossoming between these two, even if no more than a great friendship and understanding.
Still, it is truly hard to feel the pain that Leah is going through: feeling as if she is just a freak amongst her own people. It is like someone who is suddenly incapable of being loved — a werewolf who thinks that no one will ever imprint on her just because she isn’t like the other women. But like Jacob says, waiting for this sudden and unexpected ‘imprinting’ thing to happen isn’t her only hope of being loved. She could always simply turn back into a human, get a job, meet people, and have a relationship like every other normal person.
And finally, I get to the part where the name Renesmee is created. I remember when Breaking Dawn first came out, and I was immediately spoilered, within an hour of the release, by this name (Renesmee is pretty much one of the only things I was spoilered on in BD, fortunately). I remember it specifically because of all the forum posts and emails about being confused as to where it came from, and why Bella was so selfish as to not include all of her family member’s names at once, an example being Renesmettallie Carjalicphil:
Twicurls aside, I see this as a beautiful moment between Bella and Edward: perhaps one of the most beautiful since they first met in Twilight. Up until now, the child growing inside of Bella was seen as this monster — even Edward agreed with Jacob on this. But suddenly, with just that tiny spark of communication and recognition between the two parents and what is growing inside Bella, it is no longer a ‘thing’ but their child.
Someone told me in the comments, back when Edward was desperate to have Carlisle kill it, that a father does not bond with a baby until after he or she is born (I don’t know how true this is– I haven’t researched it any further that what I was told). Could this be advanced before the child is born, since Edward has made a connection with the baby in his mental, mind-reading way? Because it is almost as if he can really speak to his child suddenly, as if the baby has already been born. Because of the connection between Bella and Edward, and their unborn child, it is almost as if in one startling moment they have gone from a couple, into a family.
But now, I can’t even imagine the pain that Jacob is in. Again, can anyone even think of how hurtful and heartbreaking it would be to love someone so much, and then to have to watch her and her new husband and their child, happier than they have ever been? Wouldn’t you wish that at least she would feel some remorse for not being with you, for choosing someone else — that maybe she would give you the tiniest bit of consolation? But no — she happy, and content, without him. In any normal relationship, Jacob would be far away, and not have to suffer watching how happy the girl he loves is with someone else. He is literally tearing himself apart by staying there, and I don’t think any of us would hold it against him if he left and didn’t come back.
As for Jacob Black, this line in the beginning practically horrified me:
“I was only about a mile from where I’d left my clothes, so I phased back to human and walked.”
Whilst visiting Forks, I will remember not to venture into the places where Jacob is known to run completely naked for miles. Especially knowing those super-devoted fans who might try to recreate this scene.
QUESTION FOR THE COMMENTS: Would you rather Bella had a son and named him EJ, or a daughter and named her Renesmee?
——NOTES——
– Peter Facinelli has a huge bet going on with his friend — if he gets 500,000 Twitter followers by this Friday, he gets to keep his chair from TWILIGHT! Along those same lines, if I get 500,000 Twitter followers by this Friday, I will give Peter Facinelli MY chair (har har har).
– During that huge Facebook username craze last week, I managed to snag Facebook.com/KalebNation for my new Facebook page! If you haven’t added me, now you can do it with STYLE and PIZZAZZ!
158 Responses
I think that you should NOT have said that. And besides, it's more complicated than that. Also besides, who Jacob “ends up with” is kind of crucial to the plot.
Renesmee… well, you get used to it. 🙂 Edward Jacob is harsh. Not only a little disrespectful, like other posters have said, but it also perpetuates the “love triangle” that was so painful in Eclipse. Bella, Edward, and Jacob, tied together in ways that seem impossible to escape from. Despite their ultimate happiness, EJ would have been a reminder of that and, if things had turned out differently, been a constant source of guilt for Bella.
Well, given something that happens after the baby is born (not to give it away) I think it would be terribly ironic if it were a boy named Edward Jacob, hehe.
at first, i really really disliked the name Renesmee. I still sort of wished Bella had gone with Carlie Renesmee instead for Renesmee Carlie. I like Carlie as a first name. Anyway, by now the name has grown on me, and I kind of like Nessie.
Plus, EJ would have been a constant reminder that Bella was once in love with two men at the same time. Which is awkward. Especially for the kid who bears that name.
The scene with Edward and Bella and the baby is definitely my favorite in the book. Seeing it from Bella's point of view, if your husband wants to kill your unborn baby, that's pretty much the worst thing ever. From her point of view, this should be a time of excitement in anticipation of the baby's birth. So, when Edward came to recognize the baby as a person rather than a thing, that was the best moment ever, and it was at that point that they really became a family. The only annoying bit is that the scene is from Jacob's perspective, and I'd rather ignore the fact that Jacob is there.
As for baby names, I think Renesmee is better than EJ. What was Bella thinking? Naming the kid Edward would be awkward in the first place, but Jacob as a middle name? That is wrong. Naming your kid after a former romantic interest should be entirely out of the question. Honestly, I think the only reason Edward just lets these name suggestions go is because Bella's dying. I don't have the same issues with Renesmee that other people have, but I would definitely have preferred Elizabeth as a girl's name, or even Renesmee Elizabeth, if you want to name her after all three of her grandmothers. I just think Liz the Dhampir has a nice ring to it.
I would have preferred renesmee just because i think it sounds so pretty. I really like renee's name and
esme's name, but i agree with everyone else that combing their names is not creative.
Stilll, i love how it sounds…ruh-nuz-mee. I would've hated Ej because i don't think that wouldve been fair
to Edward. Reneseme is definately better! =D
Ummm, that thing about fathers not becoming dad's until after the baby is born was in Juno. I personally don't believe that, but whatever.
I like the name Renesmee, I don't know why, probably because I've always been one for the weirder names. After a while though, it does get kind of annoying.
You didn't mention the most fun part about the Peter Facinelli bet! If he wins, the guy he's betting against has to wear a bikini down hollywood blvd and sing some Beyonce song and Peter will make a video of it and put it on youtube. So everyone go follow PF on twitter!
Renesmee is better than Edward Jacob. I too find EJ disrespectful. Even if Jacob was never her boyfriend, the idea of naming Edward's child after someone she was in love with who is still in love with her is wrong. If he was just her best friend and there was no history between them, I wouldn't really mind it. I actually find it a little disrespectful to Jacob too. Why would Jacob want that constant reminder of what could've been?
He went to the wedding because Bella herself wanted him there. He went as a FRIEND. Nothing more. And he tried, he really did. Until she told him that she wanted a real honeymoon.
Jacob knew the stories. He, as Edward, knew how dangerous was to sleep with a vampire. He totally thought she was going to die, and that's why he blew it at the end.
But think about something… Even Edward said that Jacob was right. It was too dangerous. It went good at the end, but they couldn't know that. Jacob couldn't know that.
AND Edward was happy and thankful when he saw that Jacob had gone to the wedding.
Greetings from Spain!
Thank you! Well, it's nice to see that there are some Team Edwards who understand Jacob. Thanks! 😉
Shut up! Oh my God, have you ever heard about avoiding spoilers whenever you comment about something that others haven't already read? Don't spoil the story for Kaleb!
UUGGHHH!!!! I am SO glad that Bella didn't name the baby EJ (Edward Jacob). How extremely awkward for Edward. How would you, Kaleb, like your wife to name your child after an old flame?!? I would divorce the spouse immediately!!!
And, oh, this part was so beautiful!!! Where edward hears the baby!! He finally calls it a baby instead of the fetus!!! I cried with happiness after this moment they have together!
And from what I have read in books and seen in the media, whenever it comes down for a man to choose between the life of his wife and the life of his unborn child he ALWAYS chooses the wife! I guess it's natural so the man can look after the safety of the woman while the woman gives up that instinct for the sake of her child.
Ah! So it's in this chapter!!! I love how in this chapter, something just clicked and Edward was suddenly accepting the baby. It's where Edward suddenly realises that what is growing inside of Bella is not so much of a monster that he initially thought it was. I felt proud of Edward when he handed his keys to Jacob. He knew that him accepting the baby would just kill Jacob even more.
I felt so sorry for Jacob. I just want him to be able to imprint or at least find someone that can fill the gap and yes, I was also hoping for a romance between Leah and Jacob during this part of the book. They seem so close that it seems possible in the future.
To answer your question, I was so glad that the baby was a girl! I mean it would be kind of acceptable if EJ stands for “Edward Junior” but “Edward Jacob”? It's worse than Albus Severus! (You'll see what I mean once you've read Harry Potter, though I kind of like the name Albus Severus) I like Renesmee Carlie Cullen, though in my opinion, Carlie Renesmee Cullen sounds waaaaaay better.
Renesmee and EJ were both so awful. I understand that SM wanted to be original, but just because a name is way different doesn't necessarily make it creative in a good way. I felt like she sat at her computer putting together family name combinations, and thought, “hmm Renesmee doesn't sound too bad”. And of course, EJ was the most cliche thing I'd ever heard (that's an exaggeration). Honestly Kaleb, as an English major I don't understand how you've been able to swallow this atrocity of a fourth book. I LOVED the other books, but once Jacob's book ended, it was hard to continue reading.
Just adding my vote that I agree with all the others in wondering what the heck is going through Bella's head at that point with the names she mashes together, and being fair to both the guys… but then, she was already starting to get a little crazy (as much as I love them together). Hee…. I grinned at that video too, and it must have made you wonder, Kaleb! Even if you avoid spoilers, it was hard to not hear mention of the name floating around.
You reminded me of commentary on that scene by another blogger (http://cleoland.pbworks.com/Twilight – the book recaps are at the bottom), who said “We’re lucky Bella didn’t want to name a boy Edwob Charlisle.” Hah. I swear, I couldn't stop giggling sometimes reading through her commentary re-caps of the books (kind of like yours). She loves them too, but has a healthy dosage of witty snark and humor when it comes to calling out the books on all the crazy stuff and adding in hilarious remarks… kind of like Twilight meets MST3K… you need a sense of humor to enjoy it! (just saying, for those who don't like their books joked about… I love the books too, but she's incredibly good with being able to laugh at the craziness in it, too, which is great to be able to do with anything you love)… I think you'd like it… let me know!
i really hate the name Renesmee!! its so stupid! i would rather she had a son named EJ, its waaaaaay more normal. she is a freak to name her poor daughter that!
Doesn't it seems weird that Bella makes sure that her & Edward's parents name if the baby is a girl; but she doesn't consider that if the baby is a boy she just names him after her father Charlie? I'm just saying, didn't Stephanie just think of that instead of EJ it sounds a little more normal.
But it is wong though. I really don't think it added anything besides making everyone feel extreamly weird reading it.
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Renesmee is alot better than Edward Jacob. Renesmee has a ring to it and it is very different. I don't really think it is a good idea to name your child after a parent. It sounds like you didn't really care what you were going to name your child so you just decided to go with the name that took the least amount of thought. As for the name Jacob I really don't think that it fits. It sounds weire to me paired with the name Edward. I aloso think that it is wrong to name the kid Jacob because Bella and Jacob were basically dating. It is wrong to name your child after the people you go out with. It makes you question if they really love you or if they are going to leave you for that person the next day. If she had a boy it would be better if the name was more orignal.
I like both names……I wouldn't be able to decide.
Oh and two things:
1) You guys are very good at reading comprehension…(i'm not)
2) You guys have very good discussions on here….and you kinda get defensive at times…..it makes it fun for me to read though.
Jacob hasn't done 'nothing wrong'. That kind of blanket statement is as bad as the original comment; Jacob has taken actions and said things he should not have. In particular, tricking Bella into kissing him, using his own death against her when he knew she'd already made her choice, was very wrong indeed. While I do like Jacob much better than I used to, now that Breaking Dawn is over, he was severely unlikeable (read: he acted like an arrogant, using jerk much of the time) during Eclipse – which is probably why people still 'pick on him'.
Renesmee is also a baby… people tend to adore babies, think they can do no wrong, cherish them, spoil them, etc. Especially for a family of vampires that actually gets to experience having a baby in the house… no, I don't think Renesmee is a Mary Sue. She will grow up, and have a personality, and there will be people who dislike her and people whom she dislikes. Everything will not always go well for her. But right now, she is a baby, and she is adored the way a baby should be adored.
Huh. The name grew on me, I have to admit.
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I'm thinking I'll stick with the Renesmee. I have just gotten to used to her.
I don't really know, every time I read this part I have different opinions. At first I was totally with you, but now I still think that Jacob was still fighting. Not “stealing” her from Edward, it's not like he's clubbing her and dragging her back to his hut or something, he's just trying to give her what he thinks is her best option. I really think that Jacob isn't there to be her friend because he never was. He always had this connection with Bella that was more than friendship. Just my two cents. & that's so awesome that you're from Spain. 😀 I'm from the us and your English is better than mine!
That usually happens because they never know the baby. They haven't had any connection with the baby like the mother has. They haven't been carrying it in their gut for 9 (usually) months and haven't felt those little kicks personally. The father has no chance to know the baby until it is born. This is why they usually pick their wives who they have known and loved much longer. NOT THAT THIS IS OKAY! I just wanted to explain that.
WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH WIERD NAMES!!! My name really is Mylles its not just some wierd name I came up with. I was named after my father and my mom wanted to spell it like that! It makes me a little upset when everyone starts talking about how much they hate the name Renesmee! The name may be different but calling her Carlie would be too normal! And naming someone after someone else is fine and creating wierd names from that is just as fine.
I like Renesmee (especially after reading what SM said on her site about the name.) Plus I HATE the fact she would want to name her son Edward Jacob. I like naming after Edward just fine, it's the Jacob part I hate. She has clearly already chosen Edward, she's married and pregnant with his child. And did she think about what Edward would think of naming his son after that dog? Ugh, Bella gets on my nerves sometimes. I am soooooo glad that it ended up being a girl.
A son named EL because I am a Team Jacob soooo I mean that name really works for me.
NOT ME!! I think it was perfect who he ended up with. It made evrything good at the end.
It's obvious from these posts that you people don't understand the dynamics of these relationships. Being in a different situation really changes how it affects the outcome.
1st- I do not believe it would offend Edward in anyway if the baby was named after Jacob. He is secure in relationshio and understands that Bella loves him more than anything and that if she wanted to be with Jacob she would have left by now. He understands the hurt that Jacob feels and has become a friend and ally to Jacob in many ways. He knows he owes Jacob for saving Bella's life and being as old as he is puts the situation in perspective for him. Jacob is not a threat and has given up hopefor being with Bella.
2nd- Stop making Jake the bad guy. He is not a threat. He is a best friend who comforted Bella in her time of need. If it had been some friend who was a girl there would be no issue with naming a child after her. Jake never dated Bella and gave up on her after Eclipse. This is because all he ever wanted was her safety and for her to realize she had other options that could include children and her family and life. He just wanted to know if her acknowledging her love for him would change anything. After realizing that he couldn't beat Edward he accepted that. If having a crush on your best friend is cause for them to not be able to name their kid after you then there is something wrong. The only reason you people have a problem with it is because anything that opposes Edward is some horrendous threat that must be destroyed.
3rd- It would cause Jacob much more stress. What a bigger reminder of your unrequited love than your name on their kid. He loves Bella and knows she would only have the best in mind but seeing all the little details that remind him of Edward would make him go crazy. He is a hot headed boy and that would probably set him off. I mean what else could hack open wounds and bring back bad memories more than your best friend/ unrequited love interest's kid with the guy that you always thought was no good for her and kept you from being together
I think EJ would have been cute but I also enjoy the originality of Renesmee
You realize he hasn't gotten to that part yet, right? Stop spoiling it for him *whacks you with a wet noodle*
OMG! EJ WOULD SUCK!!! Okay so I loved Edward and Jacob! (Taylor Lautner rocks!!!! ROBERT PATTINSON SUCKS! HE CAN SUCK IT!!!!) Anyways I love Renesmee! She's adorable, and absolutly perfect!
Personally, I like the name Carlie better as a first name. Also, at the end of the book, all loose ends are tied together in a neat little bow.
However, that doesn't excuse the package being wrapped in duct tape. -_-'
Just ignore me. I'm having fun reading your reviews on these chapters Kaleb. Wonder what you'll think when Bella gets back in control.
Wow, thanks a lot for what you said about my English! You're so sweet! Thank you, even though I know my English could never be better than yours. lol 😉
I don't think Jacob was fighting, you know… He just wanted her to be safe. He didn't want to see her dead. That's what I think.
I meant he hasn't done anything wrong to be considered an enemy. Jacob's intentions were good, but yes, he was wrong with a few of his methods. He's 16, after all. He's young, and in love, and desperate. Of course he made mistakes. I wasn't saying he was perfect.
All of them made mistakes. But I don't see anyone holding Edward's mistakes against him. That's what I meant.
DEFINITELY NOT! (For naming the kid EJ)
That is not only a disrespect to Edward, but an even bigger one for Jacob. How could you look into the child of your love's eyes, have it named after you, and know that it's not yours!?
*shakes head*
Thank goodness, it wasn't a boy.
But as for the girl.. I so would have preferred Elizabeth Renee Cullen.
🙂
One more thing.
Kaleb pleaseeeee. I know you're trying harder to look into Jacob's point of view, but please, I don't want it to just be an appearance for your readers. I read your blog comment and I'm not sure you get it..
ahh I've thought of that same name! Elizabeth Renee, I've always thought that would have been the perfect name for Nessie 🙂
At first I didn't like the name Renesmee, but it grew on me, and I understood the reasoning behind it as well. She's unique, one-of-a-kind, etc etc. I didn't like the name EJ, but thats mainly because I'm not really a fan of “initial” names. And EJ doesn't role off the tongue, it sounds funny to me!! Elizabeth Renee would have been nice, it's “old-fashioned” sounding, kind of, or enough so to work in the book. Isabella and Edward are a bit old fashioned too (as are all of the Cullen names). However, I think someone mentioned this before- I've heard stranger names than Renesmee- look at most celebrities these days- I just wonder WHY anyone would name their child Apple or Moses, or Bluebell, or Bronx! Like come on people! Unique is one thing, but you have to think that this child is going to teased later on in life! Poor things!
That map about where Jacob runs around naked is hillarious! So funny Caleb!
It was Edward Junior not Edward-Jacob
It was Edward Jacob, not Junior
Um…I just read the book again, (stupid book) and I don't remember it ever clarifying that. When she calls the baby EJ Edward asks “What?” She says “Your father's name was Edward too wasn't it?” But I also could swear she once said, My Little Edward JAcob, but I couldn't find that when I skimmed over it this morning so we may never know.
I always thought Ella would work. Like Edward Bella, maybe I'm crazy but…
Edward wouldn't say anything beacuse he loves her, and Bella feels horrible that she still loves Jake. AND it is sort of edwards fault they fell in love, he was the one who left. But i see what u mean. Though it all works out
i though that jake and leah would develop feelings for each other 2… but just before the end of the chapter i guessed what was gonna happen.
dont really like the name renesmee… its like bella is jst trying 2 please everyone (which she prob is) insted of giving her a actual name
Son, Ej
Most Def.
Well there are a lot of comments! Firstly I would love to say I like the song that you chose for this chapter. Sounds great!
I don’t know. I don’t really mind if she has a son or a daughter. I like them both. I wasn’t one of those people who hated the name Renesmee. So I’m happy either way.
I like how you wrote about Jacob and Leah being similar and how there could be something romantic going on. I felt like that too when I was reading the book.
naming her child edward jacob i think would be awful. that would be like naming your child after the ex-boyfriend you had RIGHT before marrying your current and new husband. renesmee might be Quite the odd name.. but Edward Jacob, i think, would be worse.